tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post4092652548593559677..comments2023-04-13T17:22:30.695+01:00Comments on Confessions of a Cult Girl | Ahmadiyya: The Sunday Scandal Session 13: Snitches, A Model and Dictator Shabir BhattiFindingshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12838153918574723113noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-63067643041825843812012-01-25T18:13:54.183+00:002012-01-25T18:13:54.183+00:00@ people who have adressed me Directly...
Please r...@ people who have adressed me Directly...<br />Please read my comments on 22 and 24 of Jan. with open heart and I know that principaly everybody gets treated equally . <br />Why would Jamat be unfair to people who are the assets of Jamat and think wisely why would Jamat expell the people out of Nizam e Jamat for no reason as on the other hand Jamat is trying to spread the message to the world? It does not make sense . Does it? So there are reasons if an action is taken or not taken or to which extent it is taken. All depends what could be the better decision for an individual . Now I give you my personal opinion . Let us build a senario here... For instance if I have five children with different qualities and behaviours but I love them equally as all my own blood . So if I have to discipiline them for some reason . I will try options if one behaves if I cuddle one affecionately and one is done but may their would be one who I will have to ask to stand on one leg otherwise one would not behave but as a father U know when , how and which one to discipiline which way but the main object is again ONE and that is to discipline them because I care about them equally and house remains in order as I care about the house which matters . Anyway that is my own interptation just to simplify the matter again.<br />There is no public humilation what so ever. And no one is abondened from talking and no social bycott in general. If you claim that it is either a lie or lack if understanding or information. <br />The only thing which is their that is the person is expelled from Nizam e Jamat. But still can be An Ahmadi Muslim , can come to Mosque, can talk to people. Very clear.<br />Some one said nothing happened at the time of Prophet ( SAW). I feel sorry for you . Please take my advice and go and research . <br />And finally open your eyes and look at Muslim world and even Pakistan . I just viewd a programme on ARY where they were talking about trying to bring a law to control musical concerts. It is a muslim country. Majority us Muslim population. So why it has been lead to this stage and there are so many other examples... Think wisely please.<br />Just to oppose Jamat e Ahmadiyya it is not wise that without any single thought you rush and critisise something which inside yourself you know is not right to do so.<br />WassalamSunni Convertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-30588306684658035042012-01-25T11:01:27.388+00:002012-01-25T11:01:27.388+00:00yes exactly that is absolutely true the reason is...yes exactly that is absolutely true the reason is to let the jummat know that such people have morally gone so low that jummat should not engage with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-15436028320962859642012-01-25T00:28:43.533+00:002012-01-25T00:28:43.533+00:00Publicly no they are not expelled per se. Usually ...Publicly no they are not expelled per se. Usually at Friday sermon under announcements they say don't collect chanda blah blah. However they don't say why so it could be there free will. This usually is announced in the region that person was situated in.<br /><br />However most of the bad stuff spreads through gossip, gossip and more gossip. The wives offc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-42708729280433238652012-01-25T00:11:06.412+00:002012-01-25T00:11:06.412+00:00Daleel? You're just making stuff up. And no, K...Daleel? You're just making stuff up. And no, Ka'ab bin Maliks example doesn't apply here. The Holy Prophet saw didn't even kick drunk people out of Islam. Ahmadiyya is only concerned about their image to the outer world that's all that matters to cults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-74955952469957144082012-01-25T00:08:14.839+00:002012-01-25T00:08:14.839+00:00The names are read out at the monthly meetings. I ...The names are read out at the monthly meetings. I have witnessed several myself and those people attending these cultish meetings are quite blatantly told not to talk to them anymore. I'm an ex-Ahmadi so no point in lying to me. I'm so glad Allah showed me the right path away from this patheic cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-87867770828698673412012-01-24T22:14:58.742+00:002012-01-24T22:14:58.742+00:00I think your all missing the point, this girl knew...I think your all missing the point, this girl knew she was doing wrong she was not a child when she did this. If she was punished why is everyone so surprised??? I'm sure other Muslims would not agree with what she did either. If you go against your teachings you are accountable for what you have done, don't cry about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-84561118852625087102012-01-24T21:23:08.913+00:002012-01-24T21:23:08.913+00:00they are notthey are notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-28290761971060278422012-01-24T21:22:12.571+00:002012-01-24T21:22:12.571+00:00@ farhan No I dont have a problem at all because I...@ farhan No I dont have a problem at all because I know all of that is lie and know liar s about prophets and khulfa is taken care by GOD so i need not to worry, and "publicly humiliates", well cant understand your so called handful ahmadis is public? because I heard or saw no annoucment on any of the TELe channels not even on MTA so which public you are talking about?<br />ReplyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-63455978801201176072012-01-24T20:37:41.853+00:002012-01-24T20:37:41.853+00:00No I dont have a problem at all because I know all...No I dont have a problem at all because I know all of that is lie and know liar s about prophets and khulfa is taken care by GOD so i need not to worry, and "publicly humiliates", well cant understand your so called handful ahmadis is public? because I heard or saw no annoucment on any of the TELe channels not even on MTA so which public you are talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-48873110467407650792012-01-24T18:17:09.470+00:002012-01-24T18:17:09.470+00:00So how are people expelled from the jamaat?So how are people expelled from the jamaat?Ansari_mowghlis_unclenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-80573154503954295332012-01-24T18:03:19.362+00:002012-01-24T18:03:19.362+00:00I don't think Findings needs to pose as an idi...I don't think Findings needs to pose as an idiot, there are plenty of Qadianis out there doing a grand job!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-91921578506053597452012-01-24T18:00:15.863+00:002012-01-24T18:00:15.863+00:00Go back to my 22nd Janury,s response and come out ...Go back to my 22nd Janury,s response and come out with explaination if you have ? But I am sure that was enough to shut you up.<br />If you have something to do with Islam then behave like a muslim and speak Islamically and stop criticising Islamic laws and traditions.<br />If in your own house one of your brothers or sister starts drinking. What will your father do? Off course he will warn one and would not let it happen in his house then others can get influenced and in some cases will as to leave the house and may not let any body from other home members to speak to one unless one has repent , realised and apologised and promised to behave in future .Then Islamic law is not broken in the house and system of the hose will remain in order. Isnt it simple. <br />Again you see As I mentioned last time it is about caring fir bith the person and community.<br />And nobody is ever humilated. When a matter is taken up then thier would be some very few people involve to deal with it but it is never annouced publically that such and such person is expelled out of Nizam e Jamat for doing this and that in details.<br />And go and study the The Time Of The Holy Prophet (SAW).Sunni convertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-71881663505227106562012-01-24T16:03:21.630+00:002012-01-24T16:03:21.630+00:00what is your problem of social boycott with a comm...what is your problem of social boycott with a community you hate so much you should be happy and relieved that you are not part of that communityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-65743826490280773372012-01-24T16:00:42.546+00:002012-01-24T16:00:42.546+00:00Yes that is true if you are in the community and d...Yes that is true if you are in the community and dont go by the the set principle than either you behave or face social boycott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-89437566198734775492012-01-24T14:34:13.271+00:002012-01-24T14:34:13.271+00:00Findings do you enjoy pretending to be an ignorant...Findings do you enjoy pretending to be an ignorant anon and then responding as yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-43337066955706275732012-01-24T14:33:57.298+00:002012-01-24T14:33:57.298+00:00funny. lol xDfunny. lol xDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-46782567887496641862012-01-24T14:31:44.455+00:002012-01-24T14:31:44.455+00:00For those who think its acceptable to publicly hum...For those who think its acceptable to publicly humiliate people in this manor, surely the you have no problems with a website like this that publicly humiliates these leaders for their misdeeds.<br /><br />Would you have a problem if Mirza Masroor's misdeeds were exposed and he too was publicly humiliated?Farhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12819036265743519107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-31415125487240481342012-01-24T14:17:57.515+00:002012-01-24T14:17:57.515+00:00You have just contradicted yourself here, YES ther...You have just contradicted yourself here, YES there are expulsions and people are ostracized, do you think that if a family member leaves this cult that they can never see their families again, is that justice and right?<br />You say there are no expulsions in this jamaat than you are most certainly blind to this cult!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-19652008287488164072012-01-24T13:51:57.330+00:002012-01-24T13:51:57.330+00:00Expulsions don't happen? Are you sure about th...Expulsions don't happen? Are you sure about that? LOL... Come out of denial! And ok so you are saying there are no expulsions yeah? But you've just admitted that there is a system of social boycott and people being ostracised? Yeah? Thank you!!!!!!!Findingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838153918574723113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-83752032813397602132012-01-24T13:41:08.658+00:002012-01-24T13:41:08.658+00:00you people are either ignorant or liars as there i...you people are either ignorant or liars as there is no such thing in jummat as EXPULSION,<br />It is the the other way round the jummat members are asked to keep no contacts with these people so what is your problem with that if you hate this community so much Miss MR or WHATEVER lost findingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-37872255593007309762012-01-24T13:26:16.823+00:002012-01-24T13:26:16.823+00:00Why no anti raf posts no mo? Been a few weeks sinc...Why no anti raf posts no mo? Been a few weeks since you went off on one about your fav targetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-53663065939995682752012-01-24T09:39:30.043+00:002012-01-24T09:39:30.043+00:00Dear Sunni Convert - your observations are correct...Dear Sunni Convert - your observations are correct. As an Ahmadi myself I believe that rules & regulations regarding conduct and behaviour are important and should be observed to set an example, maintain a moral standard and to keep discipline within the community.<br /><br />The probelm is that the Jamaat treats people differently. There are 2 classes - the khandaan and top office bearers versus the mass followers. Different rules apply. This is the worse thing that the jamaat can do. We could all accept if there was 1 rule for all but that is not the case.<br /><br />The sham converts is a perfect example. The families of these children have been getting away with sham converts for the last 30 yrs. It's rife within their families. In the meantime, others have been expelled and parents told to withdraw all contact. This is not right and cannot be justified in any circumstances. <br /><br />Same act, 2 consequences, depending on who you are. Reputation in tatters depending on who you are. No contact with your child depending on who you are. Abandoned and ostracised by your community depending on who you are. <br /><br />Sunni convert - is this fair, is this how the Nizaam should treat people - punish you depending on who you are rather than what you did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-55841404407837331382012-01-23T21:03:40.296+00:002012-01-23T21:03:40.296+00:00ha ha you sat there and actually counted? do you e...ha ha you sat there and actually counted? do you ever realise how much time you waste on the net when you could be preaching rather than refuting? do you know the difference?<br /><br />anyway i hope you like Kindergarten eggs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-44814283274890811912012-01-23T12:46:00.699+00:002012-01-23T12:46:00.699+00:00Occam's Razor. Use it. You will find Ahamadiyy...Occam's Razor. Use it. You will find Ahamadiyya is not Islam. No further discussion necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9104222902095833668.post-58328770624688193532012-01-23T10:10:00.988+00:002012-01-23T10:10:00.988+00:00Salam,
I can understand your Jamat point of view f...Salam,<br />I can understand your Jamat point of view for taking actions against this girl.<br /><br />Just for the information for all of us, can you elaborate more on, ''Process of Islah''. What steps your organisation normally take.<br /><br />2) What rules you have to expell the person.<br />3) If these rules are in written form can you share with us on this blog.<br /><br />Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com