Salaam.
We all know about the mass expulsion of 30 members of the American Jamaat: http://thecult.info/blog/2010/12/31/ahmadiyya-wedding-nazis-mass-public-expulsions/ right? Let's keep it local on this Saturday afternoon and let me give you an example of a fairly recent case here in the UK; this one is a case different from most, because it involves the brother of Shabir Bhatti, his (brother's) wife and his eldest son.
Would you like some background to the case? Oh ok then, you nosey parkers you! :P
Here is the dealio:
Basically, like a lot of Pakistanis (and Shabir Bhatti not being an exception), he fought his brother over money and land. Well actually, the original dispute was actually between Shabir Bhatti's father and his brother but when unfortunately, the father passed away, Shabir Bhatti decided to take lead and the whole family ganged up against Shab's poor brother.
It went something like: Dad Vs Shabir Bhatti's brother. Dad dies, Shabir Bhatti et al considered that to be his father's money, therefore inheritance money, so wanted Shabir Bhatti's brother to cough up, turning it into a Shabir Bhatti et al Vs Shabir Bhatti's brother. Anyways, so Shabir Bhatti's brother was practically cornered and forced up against the wall. Shab's brother turned to the Jamaat for assistance, but it fell on deaf ears. He asked Mas to help him, pleading his case but unfortunately for Shabir Bhatti's brother, Shab is a Naib Ameer/Secretary of Tarbiyyat for the UK and also private family doctor to Mirza Masroor Ahmad so you can imagine the compromising position Mirza Masroor, the fair and compassionate 'Khalifah' was put in (awwww..NOT).
Anyways, his pleas didnt work, where he asked Mas to basically tell his greedy brother to back off and Shab persisted with legal action to get his brother to cough up! Shab's brother wasn't standing for this and continued to fight, not letting them get their hands on his land and business because of course, he had a family to support! It then went to 'Qadha Board', which is the Ahmadiyya Jamaat's version of the Royal Courts of Justice (loooool OMG get me out of this self contained state already!!) but the problem here is that Dr Shabir Bhatti is also on the Qadha board too, so every avenue his brother tried to take, Shab blocked him with his 'priority in order of preference' connections. Qadha 'mediated' and of course, it went in favour of Shab et al and his brother was very unhappy with the results. They continued to fight it out, and Shab's brother wanted to take it further than that and it went to the courts. And BECAUSE Shab's brother rejected what the Qadha had ruled, he was subsequently punished by the Ahmadiyya Jamaat for trying to go to the courts and had heavy restrictions placed against him, together with his innocent wife and eldest son.
Once they were expelled, both father and son were forced to write to Mas, begging forgiveness if 'any wrong doing had been done on their part' even though all the wrong doing was on the Jamaat's head!
Check the letter detailing their 'sanctions'.... so much for being a TOLERANT > FAIR > LOVING > PEACEFUL > COMMUNI-CULT!!! lol. One face for the media/the western world and another for it's members! There's a word for this sort of behaviour but let's not over do it hey!
The Ahmadiyya Jamaat's slogan is 'Love for all, hatred for none'.. where is the love in publicly humiliating this guy and his innocent family?! This cult has the audacity to run advertising campains with this slogan plastered across buses while secretly they treat their own innocent members with injustice, disdain and hate!!
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Muslims and Non Muslims alike if you are reading, please take a look at what happens within the UK Jamaat, at the hands of Mirza Masroor Ahmad and his team of 'Ameers'. People are being humiliated! Names are being circulated throughout local Jamaats. with people being told of the restrictions placed against those that have been punished. These names are often read out at Jummah and are mentioned in meetings/local committee meetings.
Imagine for an elderly man, the Ahmadiyya Jamaat being all he has ever known and all his social ties being within the Jamaat, to be ostracised and punished like this! Pakistanis are also very proud people; imagine being punished like this so publicly, imagine what that must have done to his self esteem and state of mind! How he must have felt and the thought of the stress this guy must have gone through! Imagine also having to deal with the fact that his wife and son are now being penalised for a dispute that was between himself and his brother, and had nothing to do with them!
What's very worrying here, punishment and violation of human rights aside, is what the cronies of the Jamaat are capable of doing! Do you guys think its some coincidence that Shabir Bhatti, Naib Ameer/Privately paid doctor to Mirza Masroor AND Tarbiyyat Secretary came out on top, while his brother was left to hang dry?? This thuggery has GOT to stop! Mirza Masroor is not a fair leader and what happened here is proof of that! If they have a personal vendetta, they can flex their muscles and can have you done for!
I wonder what the Ahmadiyya Jamaat's It Girl Justine Greening MP would make of all of this? Or how about Lord BT, Jamaat's new celebrity, I wonder if he would care to stand up in the House of Lords and tell everyone just what really goes on in the 'persecuted' sect! Persecuted? The persecutors more like!
So what, you guys are willing to put up with crap all because those 'mullah non Ahmadis' have no alternative system of 'Khilafat', Nizaam, Jamaat and Qadha to offer? Puhlese! I was accused of violating the privacy of AC for exposing the £400k fraud in the Jamaat; well here's news for you: the Jamaat is just as guilty of the same crime but they had no grounds besides someone rejecting the decision of the Qadha! I on the other hand, exposed fraud and I hear crying about 'violation of privacy and human rights'...go whinge in the Jamaat's ear instead.... I have no time for your blatant hypocrisy and flat refusal to accept Jamaat is in the wrong!
I would also like to ask WHY the Ahmadiyya Jamaat is refusing the chanda of an individual when in actual fact, ALL chanda collected is collected as a charity with tax relief! Is a charity allowed to refuse donations?? That's a serious question not a rhetorical one....
First prize to the first Ahmadi to comment 'oooh see Mashallah look at our system it even rejects the Chanda of those with sanctions..see we are not money grabbing Mashallah'. LOL. They've only got millions coming in worldwide, they can afford to restrict the chanda of a few but only to humiliate them! And did you know that once they are given permission and sanctions are lifted, they are then in arrears and have to pay it all back anyways? LOL coz that makes sense!
Also, for those who did not know about this shocking case, please read here about the treatment of Tommy Kallon's (former President of Khuddam UK) wife; at the hands of the Qadha Board and Rafiq Hayat who was also penalised and punished by the Jamaat! You can read about Tayabba's plight here:
http://www.thecult.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1593
This is my tune for the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeTPi2a2Ld4
^ (for all you little wikkle qadiani topic diverts out there...go on...sink your teeth into this one... lets have it!!!!!) ;P
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Yo....I sort of glanced over the whole article as I usually do that. I dont like reading each and every word.
ReplyDeleteI am the person who likes to know the beginning and the end. Dont really care what happens in the boring middle :D
A lot of contradcitions in your article.
I remember sometime ago reading somewhere in the cult blog that Ahmadiyya jamat does not receive chanda in millions but you say it does. The article was trying to prove the number of ahmadi's is just a mere thousands. Who is correct.....you or that guy who made all those wonderful calculations which even bamboozled me.
Also, how do you know who was right and who was wrong in the case of shabbir bhatti and his brother? One would assume if a father would bring the matter to court against his own son then the son would be at fault as no right minded parent would do that to their own flesh and blood.
Or maybe his father was a heartless person who hated his son and drag his name through mud as well for the sake of fun.
what you are trying to do would be really noble if you were to do it properly. But at the moment you are all over the place. You are not thinking logically or clearly. Jumping from one point to another.
My advise.......sleep on it before you post it.
Salam
ReplyDeleteWell done on your brave work, God bless you.
The most important thing that we need to do is to get this information to the western media.
Ahmadiyya is a very deceptive cult that likes to play the victim in the eyes of the western media.
If the media and politicians found out the nasty stunts and corruptions that run through this cult, they would ditch these crooks.
Ahmadis if you have been expelled, humilated, boycotted, attacked, harassed, bullied by this cult and you want justice then come forward and expose this cult.
You can do this even anonymously, with the internet.
If you, your family and friends have been victims of the unjust brutality of this cult you can respond and even things out.
Get on the net and expose their crimes against ordinary ahmadis!
who said they were forced to apologize to the khalifa? it was out of their own choice if they apologized no? what nonsense! let me holla at them to find out!
ReplyDeletebig sean, whack song whack album. listen to his freestyles before he became pop, that's what he is good for. anyway allow topic diversion, back to the lecture at hand.......
Two issues here...the issue of public humiliations:
ReplyDeleteDuring the Khilafah of 'Umar bin al-Khattab, a man in one of the remote provinces used to drink alcohol. He was flogged by the governor of the province. But in addition, the governor had the man paraded around the city and publicly humiliated. He went all the way to Madinah (then the capital city) and complained about the public humiliation to 'Umar. The man said he was contemplating killing the governor or fleeing to the land of the kufaar.
'Umar summoned the governor, fired him, told him he would NEVER serve a post under him again. He also paid the victim some money as compensation for the wrong done against him.
This shows public humiliations for sins are WRONG.
Some Ahmadis bring up the issue of Ka'ab ibn Malik. In short, Ka'ab didn't participate in the battle of Tabuk and went through a public boycott. The major major difference here is Tabuk was a WAR, where there was a loss of life, defending the women, children and property, not just a localized sin that everyone commits. The two affairs are not comparable.
Second issue, Inheritance.
ReplyDeleteThere is a degree of **intentional** ambiguity in the Qur'an about Islamic Law, because Islamic law is meant to be flexible for all times and places (within a given framework).
But one of the few matters clearly and explicitly spelled out is Inheritance (http://quran.com/4/11). The verse is especially long, because Allah is being CRYSTAL CLEAR in matters of inheritance, which have the potential to destroy families.
Sad.
So once again is shows that in Ahmadiyya Jammat stronger over power weeker even illegally
ReplyDeleteEnd the slavery
The hold of the cult is so strong, that in places like Jonestown, mothers voluntarily allowed their little children to be molested by that pervert Jim Jones. I am sure in their hearts they know who is the wronged brother here, but they just march in lock-step, like sheep.
ReplyDeleteSo, how did you get to be this brave ?. Aren't you afraid that those creepy crawlers might sneak up behind you one day (BOO!) ?. :)
Yeah, I was never one for cults, of any kind. I am sorta free-wheelin, independent contractor on life myself ("You're not the boss of me!").
Kudos to you, for speaking out and letting us, the outsiders, in. Like your sense of humour too.
Findings you didnt mention some key points and I would like to raise them now.
ReplyDeleteThere is another trouble for the person, when he is ex communicated.
Most of Amadies refuse to meet him and shake hand with him and they even just ignore that person.
Their Hypothesis is that Khalifa is Naraz, so we don't want to speak with ex communicate guy.
Another thing is that once a guy is ex communicated, he is not told of the announcement officially. He hears about it from friends and family members.
This Ex Communicate concept is against Basic Human Rights as you can not humiliate any one in Public, with out giving him an ample opportunity.
Thanks.
"What’s a god to a non-believer?
ReplyDeleteWho don’t believe in anything?"...
Kanye Jay Z The Throne track 1, now that's a good hip hop album ;p
@ chillis sheikh... what made me speak out? when you wake up from a 'cult coma' you want to help others out too! scared? slightly, yes! covering my back at every stage? YES! ;P They should be more concerned with whats to come, not the other way round! Balls in my court...for now!
ReplyDelete@ anonymous ^ BIG album! 'who gon stop me now' is quite fitting too!
Assalam o alaikum,
ReplyDeleteI'm somewhat confused in the manner of all these blogs. There seems to be a very apparent inconsistency with the arguments, either that not enough is exposed or too much is exposed.. Furthermore even though many of the commentators seem to say that public humiliations aren't correct, these blogs seem to be going out of thier way to publicly humiliate individuals.
Whether the lady running this blog has a personal vendetta against anyone, I don't understand how bringing up stories like this exposes anyone but the poor people involved. I for one had never heard these stories, and as a faihful Ahmadi, whilst I have been in meetings and given these notices have never asked why or have never seen anyone try to divulge in information. My local president usually doesn't know anything about the situations anyway.
@ brother Farhan
The story that you imparted is thoroughly correct but I am sure the emphasis is on the treatment of the individual. To disgrace and degrade anyone to that extent is never right. I have never heard of that kind of treatment falling on anyone in the jamaat.
Also if you are to take either narration from Bukhari or Muslim, you will note that Ka'ab ibn Malik (ra) ends his narrative 'The reference here is not to our holding back from the campaign, but to his ( the holy prophet sws) deferring our matter and keeping it pending beyond the matter of those who made their excuses on oath which he accepted'
So even the narrator of the Hadith accepted it had nothing to do with the WAR.
Could you please also clarify your definition of a ''localised sin'.. I'm not entirely sure what this means or the sins it alludes to.
Jazakullah
Also these blogs seem to be more inclined towards publicly humiliating people.. By posting photos and sending emails to all and sundry, do you not think the moral judgement of those sending them comes into question?
ReplyDeleteI would ask the blogger to read the points on public humiliation before pointing the finger any further.
If you truly see something wrong happening, surely it is not up to you to try and outdo that wrong action, but to correct it in such a way that you do not incur the displeasure of Allah.
I hope and pray that we are all ultimately guided on the right path.
Jazakalluh
During Mirza Masroor time Jammat is really becoming a Cult may be because they are losing grip and more and more ppl are becoming aware of unjust behavior of leaders and officeholders.
ReplyDeleteWe have to remember there is life outside Jammat Ahmadiyya
This post is (like the rest of the blog) so dumb. You follow an unintelligent, repetitive style hearing some gossip or heresay, getting hold of a random jamaat letter or document, then finally stringing together some hate-filled words to post a blog about a 'scandal' in the jamaat. And then you get your mate Farhan to put an 'Islamic' spin on it - 'this action is wrong because the Holy Prophet (saw)...' - what's the point of your ahadith examples?! Her posts are based on heresay!
ReplyDeleteTake this post for example - all you have is a letter of the names of some people who had restrictions places on them in the jamaat. Together with that you've concocted this outrageous story of heresay mixed with lies to slander the jamaat.
I know exactly what happened in this particular case. EXACTLY what happened. And it didn't go according to your lies. But I feel absolutely no compulsion whatsoever to plaster the internet with personal stories - what's the point?! What will it achieve?! You have no proof that any of this happened, it's just gossip (sums up your whole blog...)
I love how you keep saying you single-handedly plan the destruction of the entire jamaat (lol!) yet nothing is happening. No-one knows who you are...but no-one cares. And when they find out who you are...no-one will care.
Honestly. You're deluded.
@Hajjah
ReplyDeleteRight, no one in the Jamaat cares. You are all above this petty stuff. Which is why two sessions at the Khuddam Ijtema were devoted to Findings and her findings...
And why do you object to Farhan explaining the islamic side of thing? Is it because the Jamaat is unable to defend its actions?
You people are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
Hajjah if no one knows me, can you explain what you are doing here?
ReplyDeleteRubbish talk.... useless talk!
AND READDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD woman/man!!!! I am not here to educate anyone I am exposing the Jamaat. end of. Stop bringing up old recycled comments and passing it off as your own. if you dont like it, dont read! you obviously think its OK to be run by a cult! good girl...
Can someone tell what is relationship between mashiqbal Waqas dahri RAF Basit farooqi and MAS
ReplyDeleteI am Z hossain landlord victim of mashiqbal
RAF is sacked from ameer UK with his corrupt cabinet today is it correct?
ReplyDeleteThis is the first I am hearing?? I've yet to be told and I usually hear these things quite quickly, especially on this scale? Keep digging bro.. I think its probably a rumour! That beast isn't going anywhere for a long time and plus- I haven't even started on him yet! What is this 500k case about? He is a shareholder in a lot of properties of Jamaat- I will publish that soon inshallah.
ReplyDeleteGoogle Iqbal and others HHJ Parks QC on 26.08.11
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