Salaam!
While we eagerly await the outcome of Cult Girl Community's challenge (see below), I thought it would be a good idea to bring up a topic that is a favourite for many people out there: The Contradicitions of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (his writings/sayings/claims).
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said:
"Writings of liar compulsorily contains contradictions." (Zamima Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain vol 21 p.275)
"Writings of a truthful and clear-conscience person never contains any contradictions. Yes if someone is lunatic and insane or such a hypocrite who is a yes man for flattering someone, his writings will, of course, be contradictory." (Sat Bachan, Roohani Khazain vol 10 p.132)
"Any wise and sensible person can never keep two different beliefs." (Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.220)
Now here are 2 of my favourite contradictions:
First contradiction:
I (MGAQ) have had no Teacher (of the Quran):
"Mahdi is not a student of anybody. I swear that this is exactly my condition. Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran." (Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.394)
I (MGAQ) have had the following teachers:
"At 10 years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me whose name was Fazal Ahmed ....and when I was 17-18 years of age I was taught by another Molvi Saheb, whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed by my father in Qadian to teach me." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.180)
"When I was 6-7 yrears old, a persian teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran ....and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.180)
Second contradiction:
I (MQAQ) am a lovely person who never insults/curses anybody:
"God is the one who has sent his messenger, this humble self, with good conduct and manners." (Roohani Khazain vol. 17 p.426)
"I have not even answered back anyone with abusive language." (Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p.236)
"To Curse is not the Quality of a SIDDIQ (Truthful). Believer does not send Curses." (Roohani Khazain vol. 3, p.456)
What he really meant was:
"Enemies (meaning Muslims) have become swines of our jungle and their women have become worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.53)
"Demon. Secondrel Profilgate. Devil. Accursed seed of evil person. Wicked Mischievous. III-omened Son of a Bitch." (Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.53: For his opponent Maulvi Saadullah Ludhianvi).
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's contradictions led me to believe he was a CON, and I came to this conclusion using his very own standards and principles! It seems he forgot what he wrote in one volume to another, and was a very confused man. He made it easy for me, and spelt it out for everyone in black and white: liars contradict themselves! No Prophet of Allah lies. Simple :)
What are your favourite CONtradictions of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad??
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maybe he was trying to get biblical to his followers by writing scores of contradictions
ReplyDeleteI think that children were crying when he was dictating this stuff to his scribe, the dude go misheard what MGAQ was saying and wrote down what he thought he heard ;)
ReplyDeleteAnd then these were taken out of context. Every single contradiction has of course been taking OUT OF CONTEXT!
ReplyDeleteThis is my fav....Mirza says "to lie is like eating shit". (Haiqat-ul-wahi p. 206, Roohani khazain vol. 22, p. 215) LOL tutty pie.
ReplyDeleteLol that's a good one too! And what contradiction would you choose to match? What's a lie he told that always makes you think 'WTH'?!!
ReplyDeleteIts gotta be :
ReplyDelete"If one has to refer to a Hadith, more importance should be placed on those Hadiths that are more authentic. For example the Hadiths of Bukhari Sharif which foretell of some caliphs of the last era; particularly, the caliph about whom Bukhari narrates a voice for his ratification will be heard from the sky stating: 'This is Mehdi, the caliph of Allah'. Now, think how accurate this Hadith is, since it appears in a book most accurate, after the Holy Quran."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 337; Shahadat-ul-Quran)
LOL @ "...If one has to refer to a Hadith, more importance should be placed on those Hadiths that are more authentic..."
what could be more authentic then the mirza book of penguin packets he got his lies from!!!!
I am a layman on Hadith science - but I know one simple thing Ahmadis use Hadith or even a verse of Quran only to justify falsehood of their nabi's Nabuwwat - and to do that they have to distort the image of Muslim Ulemas - let their Source of Chanda cult followers believe Muslims are worst creature on earth - strayed - and fully qualified for divine wrath - and Ahmadiyya cult is the best option for Chanda payers - to ensure them success in this world and by buying a Moussi package - a reserved place in Jannah - a fellowship of Mirza Kazab & Khalifa Zani
ReplyDeleteAhmadis deserve to be fooled by Murabbis - who even themselves are conscious of their "false scholarly work" - but doing it for money as job requirement.
Great Blog post and great debate. Should continue such noble work for noble cause. May ALLAH and HIS Rasool Muhammad (saaw) be very pleased with you . Amen!
3M
What is your favourite contradiction brother.
ReplyDeleteNo Prophet Vs Prophet
ReplyDeleteCan such a wretched fabricator who claims himself to be a prophet and messenger, have faith in Quran, and can such a person who have faith in Quran and believes the verse: 'wa laakin Rasoolullah wa Khatemun Nabiyeen' to be the word of Allah, say that I am also a messenger and prophet after Holy Prophet SAAW?" (Anjame Atham, Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.297)
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"True God is that God who has sent His Prophet in Qadian." (Dafa alBala p.11, Roohani Khazain vol.18 p.231)
There are numerous contradictions in his books, that is why we keep telling the Ahmadis to read his books, do research themselves but are too blind to do so, when they face Allah (swt) they are not going to get a second chance. I am so glad that I did search for the truth and now follow Islam as a Muslim and not as an Ahmadi Muslim in my heart. Ahamdis go on about persecution from Muslims but that is not so, within Ahmadiyyat there is persection for their Ahmadi followers.
Nice I like this contradiction too! I remember when I questioned my parents about this they said 'he didn't know he was a prophet then'. Lol. Any excuse.
ReplyDeleteThe Holy Prophet SAW said, "Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up.
ReplyDelete1. Whenever he is entrusted, he BETRAYS.
2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a LIE.
3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves TREACHEROUS.
4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, EVIL and insulting MANNER."
—Sahih al-Bukhari[3]
Your time is near.. tick tock.
In it to win it. And don't steal my lines. Get your own.
ReplyDeleteAnd guess what?? I never claimed to be a prophet. So why don't you address the hypocrisy of your profit. Thanks.
"To Curse is not the Quality of a SIDDIQ (Truthful). Believer does not send Curses." (Roohani Khazain vol. 3, p.456)
ReplyDeleteThank you FINDINGS for this blog.
Now just treat the quotation as mentioned above from the followers of Jamat Ahmadiyya.
1)The 'Curse' daily to Muslim Ummeha, by considering them kafir, and the Ulemma of ummeha as worst creature on earth(according to hadith).
2) what about their own maribis, and khadhan, they keep their eyes away from their udday dars, if they speak truth from Quran the Amir will transfer them to worst places on earth.
The lucky people who have been expelled from Nizam-e-Jamat have been treated as 'untouchable'. The curse on them practically too.
In Return ALLAH HAS curse this Jamat,
Take one example, they ask not to speak to Akraj person and do not allow him to attend weddings, cannot go to his own wedding bla bla!!
Since 1989, how many 100 years ceremony they had held in their own headquaters in Rabwah and Qadain.
Now they will jump against PAKISTAN GOVT', but what happened in India in 2008. Allah has kicked out whole jamat and did not allowed them to hold the jalsa, Lanat ul khazabian.
Mirza Masroor you deserve this, this is your reward of twisting Quran, and imposing restriction on innocent people and playing with their money. By the way, are you enjoying your horses in Surrey!!!!!!!!
^ well said!!
ReplyDeletecome on guys...it's cussing in the metaphorical sense! :)
ReplyDeleteFindings said...
ReplyDeleteWhat is your favourite contradiction brother.
30 November 2011 07:14
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You decide HOW HE CHANGED from 1891 (No new prophet) to 1901 (me prophet) position?
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani himself made the following two statements:
“I believe in all the items of faith as prescribed by the Sunni School of Islam and I accept everything that is according to the Quran and Hadith. I fully subscribe to the doctrine that Muhammad is the last of all Prophets, and that any claimant to Prophethood after him is an impostor and a Kafir. It is my belief that the revelations of Prophethood started with Adam and closed with the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)”.
(Majmuha-Estaharet, P. 230-231; Tableegh-i-Risalat, Vol 2, Page 20 -
Also appeared in a Qadiani poster dated Oct 2, 1891; 20 Shaaban, 1313 A.H.)
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“I consider that man who rejects the doctrine of Last Prophethood is a disbeliever and outside the pale of Islam.”
(Tableegh-i-Risalat, Vol 2, Page 44 - Also read out in Congregation of Jama Masjid, Dehli, Oct. 23, 1891)
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Now after declaring Nabuwat in 1901 (Eik Ghalti,,)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote in his book, Aik Ghalti Ka Izala, page 4, 3rd Edition, published Rabwah, that:
"in the revelation of verse 48:29, (Muhammad is Allah's Apostle .... ) Allah named him Muhammad",
In the Akhbar Badar', Qadian, dated October 25, 1906, there is a poem, written by Qazi Zahooruddin Akmal, former editor of ‘Review of Religions', a couplet of which states:
"Muhammad has come back to us, with higher glory and one who wants to see Muhammad accomplished, should go to Qadian. "
This poem was read to Mirza Sahib and he appreciated it.
Again in Arbaeen, vol. 4 page 17, he wrote:
"The rays of sun cannot be endured now and we need soothing light, which I am, in the form of Ahmad'.
In Khutba Ilhamia, page 171, he declared:
"One who distinguishes between me and Muhammad, he has neither seen me nor known me."
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad further announced:
"I am the accomplishment of the name of Muhammad, i.e. I am shadow of Muhammad".
(See Ha'shin Haqiqatul Wahi, page 72):
"I am in view of the verse 62:3 (It is He who has sent forth among the unlettered an apostle of their own to recite to them His revelations to purify them and instruct them in scriptures and wisdom ... ); ????????????????????????????????????????????????I am the same last Prophet incarnate and God named me in Braheene Ahmadia' Muhammad and Ahmad, and declared me as personified Muhammad......????????????????????????????????????
(See Aik Ghalti Ka Izala, pages 10-11, published Rabwah).
"I am that mirror which reflects exactly the person and the prophethood of Muhammad".
(Nazulul Masih, page 48, published Qadian, 1909.)
3M
My Fav is
ReplyDeleteBirds of Jesus fly according to Quran
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Birds of Jesus didnt fly according to QURAN
The below don't fall under contradictions but "pearls of wisdom" from an Idiot who called himself "Sultan Alqalm" (King of Writers?)
ReplyDeleteAnd see some Samples!
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Twin Sister or Wife!!
"I was born one of a twin and the twin with me was a girl whose name was Jannat and there is this inspiration 'Ya Adam Eskun antaa wa zaujoka al-Jannat (Translation: O Adam You and Your wife Live in Jannat {paradise}), which is mentioned 20 years ago in Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya page 496, the word Jannat that is used in this inspiration, there is a very subtle point that that girl which was born with me, her name was Jannat and that girl died after remaining alive for seven days." (Tiryaq-ul-Quloob, p. 156, Roohani Khazain vol.15 p. 479 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani)
(Note: Please note that the wordings of this inspiration of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is actually taken from Holy Quran (2.35; 7.19). On the basis of this inspiration, Mirza claimed that He is Adam. Eve was the wife of Adam. From what Mirza is saying it is obvious that he is implying that he considered his twin sister as wife. A very perverted concept indeed.
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Femininity Removed:
"Hazrat Mirza Saheb was born as twins and the other child born with him was a girl who was named Janaat. She died after a few days and actually went to heavens. On the death of this innocent expressed this view: 'I believe that in this God removed completely the feminity from me.'" (Hayat-un-Nabi, vol.1 p.50 by Yaqoob Ali Qadiani)
(Note: This point is worth noting because such thoughts give an insight into the personality of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It takes both masculinity and feminity to make a completely normal human being. Since Mirza thought that feminity was removed from him at the time of birth, it made him a defective personality, and subconsciously all his life he was trying to compensate it in the garb of his inspirations/revelations. This could be the reason why his revelations and inspirations kept giving him a female status -- making him Maryam, during inspirations getting the feeling that he is a woman and (ma'azAllah) God is expressing his power of virility in him, or the inspirations that some of his followers want to see his menses!)
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What a prophet of chanda Profit!
3M (Not found so far an Idiot of his "excellence")
Some more "Kontra-Dictions" of a Champion Liar
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Mahdi is not anyone’s student. I swear that this is exactly my condition Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran …….” (Roohani Khazain Vol 14 p. 394 by Mirza Qadiani)
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At 10 years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me whose name was Fazal Ahmed ….and when I was 17-18 years of age I was educated by another Molvi Saheb whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed by my father in Qadian to teach me.” (Roohani Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)
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When I was 6-7 years old a person teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran….. and his name was Fazal Ilahi.” (Roohani Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)
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3M (He Lied all his Life from Revelations to revealing facts of his life)
I noted you had already mentioned in Blog about the Mahdi having no teacher and Mirza lying he also had none but could not lie consistently :)
ReplyDeleteAnd you also mentioned about his claim for High Morals and manners. here are some "proofs" of that. Excuse me as some may be a repeat of above but for "copy & paste" easiness, I will paste all - just for sake of Good read!
'GOOD' CONDUCT IN PRACTICE:
"Molvis are liars and like dogs eat the dead meat of falsehood." (Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.309)
"Except for the children of prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and attest to my prophethood." (Roohani Khazain vol.5 p. 547)
Enemies have become swines of our jungle and their women have (become ) worse than bitches.” (Roohani Khazain vol. 14 p.53)
"Abdul Haq Ghaznavi writes repeatedly that in the prophecy of Atham, (christian) priests have won, what can I say in reply except:..... O Badzaat (despicable)! Jewish Natured!.... The face of priest have been blackened and so is yours
..... O Khabees!..... How long are you going to live? ... especially on this Head of Dajjals and his entire group, ONE MILLION shoes of the Curses of Allah may afflict them. O Dirty Dajjal ! Prejudice has blinded you." (Zamima
Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.329)
"O Barbarian of some Junlge!.... to hide the truth you have eaten this Iguana of falsehood... O badzaat (despicable), Khabees (evil)! Enemy of Alah and Rasool! You have done this Jewish alteration ... but your lie O Worthless has been caught........ the day when all these things (regarding Mohammadi Begum's prophecy) are
fulfilled, ............then on that day would these stupid remain alive? ... There won't be any place for them to run and their noses would be cleanly cut (they would be humiliated) and the black spots of disgrace will turn their MANHOOS(cursed) faces like those fo pigs and monkeys."
(Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol.11
p.334-337)
3M (What a Hypocrite and a Big Time Abuser!)
His Somersaults on Bribe:
ReplyDelete"Hazrat Maulana Nooruddin Saheb mentioned that 'Huzoor! One question most people ask that sometimes they encounter situations when unless they pay something to the officials, their task is not done and they are destroyed.'
(Huzoor) said: "To me BRIBE is defined as to dissolve someone's rights or to illegally suppress ` or take away the rights of the government SOMETHING IS GIVEN according to his demand. If the situation is such that there is no loss for anyone and neither is it someone else's right, only given to protect your own right and this is not BRIBE. Rather it is analogous to as if we are going on the road and some dog comes from the front and we give him a piece of bread and go our way so that we remain safe from his mischief." (Roohani Khazain 2, Malfoozat vol.3 p.317)
"BRIBE should never be given. It is a big sin. BUT I DEFINE BRIBE as that through the rights of Government or others are destroyed. I absolutely forbids it but if given in a manner in which there is no intention of violation the rights of others, but only to prevent the violation of your own right and safeguard from the mischief, then in my opinion this is not prohibited. I do not call it BRIBE." (Roohani Khazain 2, Malfoozat vol.3 p.320)
"Bribe and gift should be differentiated. Bribe is that which is given or taken to violate the right of others. Otherwise if someone does one of my work dutifully and no one's right is violated, then whatever is given to him
is the fee for his effort." (Roohani Khazain 2, Malfoozat vol.5 p.223)
where Rasool ALLAH(saaw) sayings are very clear and precise to end this curse in a Muslim society
"the bribe-giver and the bribe-taker, both will go to Fire"
''Damned is the bribe-giver,
the bribe-taker and he who goes between them''
3M
LOL that HAS to be a joke? Did Mirza say he and his twin sister were Adam and Eve????? LOL.
ReplyDeleteAhmadis..seems like MGA was all good for metaphorical incest, as well as metaphorical pregnancies. The guy was sick in the head.
Mirza was a fool who only thought about the then and now ... thats why he wrote some many contradictions
ReplyDeleteheres some contradictions
ReplyDelete“Without doubt God never leaves me with a mistake, even for the duration of blink of the eye; and He protects me from every mistake and protects me from the ways of satans.” (Nur ul Haq Last page, Roohani Khazain vol. 8 p 272)
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Eik Ghalti Ka Izhala (correction of an error) his book ;-)
and heres a gift on contradicting cult leaders :D
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd7p3j_contradiction-between-qadiani-leade_news
lol, this was awesome work done by you sister, mirza indeed has proved in his own handwritign that he is a liar, a perfect example of devil
ReplyDeletei don't believe
ReplyDeleteWhat don't you believe??
ReplyDeletecult girl i hope there was a like button for your replies.hahahha
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