Sunday, 4 September 2011

The Sunday Scandal Session 2: SPY (on) KIDS

Salaam....Ready??

So then its Sunday and as promised, the spotlight is on Ahmadiyya ‘so called Muslim’ Community of the UNITED KINGDOM, the community that flaunts itself to the white man, begging acceptance, trying to convince the world of its tolerance, peace, love and freedom of its members. The same community that publicly attempts to discredit and humiliate Muslims, in an attempt to dress its own image up as some tree hugging and all loving new age Muslim organisation! Well I have news for you, avid readers of mine… I am going to slowly and very publicly undress this Jamaat and leave it stark naked in front of the world. I am very slowly, but surely, going to remove every dirty rag of theirs and I am going to show you what really goes on inside.

What I am going to present to you this Sunday is, simply put, absolutely disgusting. It goes way beyond the spying of innocent Muslim men, who had the misfortune of coming across one their creepy centres… The excuses that Ahmadi Jamaat members had for this particular scandal ranged from ‘we are under threat’ and ‘we were attacked in Lahore and 98 people died’… well let’s see what they have to say for this!

Below you will find 16 cases of Waqf E Nau children (for the Muslim readers out there, who don’t understand the Cult’s made up language, it’s a name for a group of children ‘chosen’ by the Jamaat as special ones who are supposed to dedicate their lives to the Jamaat and propagation of Ahmadiyyat). These are reports compiled by the Amoomi (another cult term of the Jamaat, who are basically spies of the Jamaat who sniff out ‘misbehaving’ qadianis and send reports back to the centres) and were passed on to Mirza Masroor Ahmad, the divinely appointed ‘Khalifa’ of the Qadiani Ahmadi Community for his ‘divine’ consideration. The age ranges from 13 to 17, and pictures were also presented for Mas to have a look at. I have removed ALL names, together with their Jamaats (which area they are part of), their parents’ names and any positions they may hold within the organisation. The pictures you will find grouped together at the bottom of the following text, with all faces blurred to protect the children involved and also, I have deliberately grouped the pictures together so should anyone recognise the pictures, they will not be aware of exactly what ‘ACCUSATIONS’ have been levied against each child. Excuses at the ready my former brother and sisters in Ahmadiyyat.... lets get this show on the road……


For Beloved Huzoor’s Attention:


We have noticed a new trend amongst some of the young girls. They deceive their parents and the public by covering their heads with a scarf. However they are still carrying out very un- Islamic acts.

There is also a shisha Bar owned by an Ahmadi family in Tooting (on Tooting Broadway). This is called Punjab Sweet House and is a bar that is regularly visited by Ahmadi Children.  

The Shisha bars that these children have been seen in are:
Punjub Sweet House (Tooting)
Cliffton Shisha (Balham)
Bubbles (Kingston)
Shisha (Edgware Road)

We have found that all these children finish school at 3.30 however do not arrive home until much later.

Case 1
Name: Girl 1 –Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed: president of Jamaat X)
Mother’s Name: (removed: works @ Lajna)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported as having a boyfriend (Pictured below), and spending large amounts of time carrying out un-Islamic acts.
We have warned (name removed) and her parents of this issue, however we have seen that it has made no difference she is still seeing her boyfriend and sneaking out of the house when her parents are unaware. She has been telling her parents she is leaving for revision however has been spotted at Clifton and some other Shisha Bars.

Case 2
Name: Boy 1-  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (not specified)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported to have had several different girlfriends one of which is Girl 5 (also Waqfe Nau). His present girlfriend id pictured below.     

Case 3
Name: Girl 2-  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (not specified)
Jamaat: (was living in Jamaat X)

Accusation:  Is reported to have had many different boyfriends and regularly seen visiting shisha bars (Below picture is in a shisha bar).   

Case 4
Name: Girl 3  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (not specified)
Mother’s Name: (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported to have many different boyfriends (Present boyfriend is pictured below) and is using drugs regularly (weed in particular) and drinking alcohol.  

Case 5
Name: Girl 4 Waq’fe nau
         
Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (not specified)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported to have had several boyfriends and is also thought to have lived with many different boys. She abides by no rules of parda and is said to be out of the control of her parents.
Siblings: Bro XYZ is her brother and also out of control. Jamaat has warned him on many occasions (previously he was caught in the gang: Paki Mafia) and is also said to be heavily involved with drugs.   

Case 6
Name: Boy 2  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported to have several girlfriends, and is seen regularly at shisha bars.

Case 7
Name: Boy 3  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  Is reported to have been in a street gang, and due to this police have visited him on several occasions. He also is involved with lots of different girls. 

Case 8
Name: Boy 4  Waq’fe nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  This boy used to be in Jamia however was excluded due to inappropriate acts. He has had several girlfriends and is seen in many different shisha bars regularly. Also believed to drink alcohol. 

Case 9
Name: Boy 5  (Waqfe’ nau?)

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (not specified)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  He is believed to have several different girlfriends and performs many other Un- Islamic acts.
Siblings: His younger siblings are Girl X and Boy Y who have been influenced by their older brother. They also are involved with boyfriends and girlfriends.

Case 10
Name: Boy 6 Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name: (removed: top position in Lajna Amla)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation:  He is believed to have several different girlfriends, and also is heavily using drugs. He also is said to influence other children in bad ways.

Case 11
Name: Girl 5 Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name:  (removed: president of Jamaat Y)
Jamaat: (removed) 

Accusation: She is said to have had many boyfriends (one was Boy 1 also Waqfe’nau), and also performs many different Un-Islamic acts.  

Case 12
Name: Girl 6 Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed: member of Amla)
Mother’s Name:  (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation: She has run away from home- to Germany. She is living in Germany with a young Local German boy without Nikkah. The boy is not Ahmadi.

Case 13
Name: Boy 7 Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed: Ansarullah Amla member)
Mother’s Name:  (not specified)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation: He is reported to have a girlfriend and is seen hanging around after school and performing un- Islamic acts. Has been warned before by Jamaat members for being violent.

Case 14
Name: Boy 8 Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed: works for Raf Hayat’s office)
Mother’s Name:  (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation: He is reported to have an Ahmadi girlfriend- Girl XYZ (sister of Girl 3)

Case 15
Name: Girl 7  Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name:  (removed)
Jamaat: (removed)

Accusation: She is reported to have had many different boyfriends and is constantly seen hanging around with Ahmadi boys.

Case 16
Name: Girl 8  Waq’fe Nau

Father’s Name: (removed)
Mother’s Name:  (removed)
Jamaat: (removed: full address was supplied)

Accusation: She is reported to have had many different boyfriends and is constantly seen hanging around after school and performing un-Islamic acts. She regularly visits shihsa bars. 


Sickened? It goes on and on and on! There are so many reports here, but this was the easiest to put together by far! The others would have required a serious amount of editing, and I am doing all this from my phone and so, do not have the time to run them here. In the near future, I will bring more to light, for the benefit of my readers. 

I really just don’t know where to begin. What shall I say? What can be said for all of this? Every time I read over the documents, I felt physically sickened and wanted to smack up the faces of those behind this! The poor children…. seriously lost for words, how can anyone even explain this to the outside world, whether justifying or condemning it? I can’t even condemn it because it goes so far beyond everything right that it’s so very difficult to put into words, what I want to say. Uttering profanities seems the easiest option right about now, but I will hold back, it will only add to the ‘oooh look at this spying hypocrite with a potty mouth’ backlash. 

So we not only have another example of spying but this time, they are turning on their own but also, we have here a handful of  no doubt what are many examples of the true and sorry state of the Ahmadiyya youth. Agreed, kids these days are messed up, I was one of them too once, but I mean seriously? Qadianis are meant to be TRUE MUSLIMS, shining examples for the rest of the world and even the Waqf e Nau kids can’t even manage to hold it down! The Waqf e Nau kids are meant to be 'the ones', you know the 'best of the best'; though might I add, there is no such scheme in ISLAM and never has been...its some made up wacky club, so no doubt it wouldn't churn out future world renowned Imams and scholars-right? It’s not even their fault, the poor and sorry souls are followers of a corrupt regime in the name of Islam, following a fraud for a Prophet! They believe they are Muslims but little do they realise that what they are following couldn’t be more far removed from Islam, even if it tried. When there is no real deen, and they are following a fake ass religion, what can anyone expect? They are no better off than atheists in many respects.

What really gets me is the hypocrisy of the Jamaat! The amount of abuse myself and others have received by publicly exposing the corruption with the Jamaat, and this Jamaat spies on its own (oh those who accused me of being a spy, least I don’t spy on my own- the Jamaat is NOT my own) and then circulates the misdeeds of the youth on their precious Waqf e Nau scheme amongst various officials.How do you think I managed to get hold of this, all those months back and so darn easily too?! They shamelessly circulated the names of these kids, with pictures of many young girls to go with it, to various 'daftar' (office/administration) officials ! These girls are certainly of ‘an age’ and their pictures are being circulated amongst goodness knows how many men and boys! How utterly disgusting and dead against the concept of ‘Purdah’ that this Jamaat prides itself on (or least it seems to think it does **ahem ahem Mas’s hand**

So defenders of the Jamaat, are these unsuspecting Ahmadi youngsters a security threat too, just like the Muslim men who wanted to pray at your centres? Go on, let us here it, how can you possibly explain this? Why the need to spy and write up reports on them, huh? And no…don’t come at me with ‘oh its to help them, its for their betterment’..NO! It isn’t! No one has the right to parent a child, besides the parents themselves and no one has the right to follow these kids, take pictures, hunt for pictures, write up reports full of nothing but ACCUSATIONS and pass them on to various officials! I might add that it’s usually the officials with messed up families, but are the ones endorsing the spying of unsuspecting children?! 


Some of these kids belong to families of active/top Jamaat members and with all that time dedicated to the 'community' is it any wonder their poor kids are running wild (that's IF they were) Why don’t they get their own houses in order, before chasing innocent children around with undercover mobile phones and writing up such horrendous statements about them? I mean, take a look at every single case, the accusations are so, so bad! ‘Reported to have had several boyfriends’…they are 15 years for crying out loud!!!!! How many boyfriends were they going to get through by the age of 15?? Either it’s a lie or these girls started off at a really young age! Weed? Alcohol? So what, were your spies there, when these kids were enjoying some of the ‘good stuff’? Did they dabble in it too? Sickos. Who the hell was the ‘reporter’, it sounds like some seedy paki ahmadi version of the National Enquirer! Who were their sources? 

The idiot behind this report constantly goes on about ‘non Islamic activities’ er hello?! Mate, wasn’t the very fact you were writing up these reports and then going on to circulate them unilsmaic?? Imagine how many proposals could well be written off for these girls if for example, word got out to the wives of the officials who had access to these reports! My mother has seen them, and has sons, imagine if one of the girl’s was a potential we had in mind for one of my brothers? Instant write off! And then Mas has the audacity to moan and complain about the pathetic rates of marriages within the community! Girls are the IZAAT (honour) of their families and you evil and twisted people are killing that! How dare you and really young girls too, snooping and spying on young women- perverts!

The Jamaat thinks nothing of ‘accusing’ innocent young men and women. We had a recent example where 2 girls were blamed for being members of thecult based on ‘suspicions’ and their reputations too, have been left in tatters and it is the Jamaat that is responsible for all of this! People are expelled because of accusations going around in the Jamaat and no one can comprehend the damage this can do to people, the sickening psychological damage this can have on people! Then they squeal with delight when ‘dead leaves’ fall away… talk about BAD people management! Idiots. What makes it worse is, that you send these idiot spies into various ‘shisha bars’ looking to find faults and errors and taking pictures of underage girls!!! Why look for their faults? If you don’t go looking, you won’t find them! You have no right to snoop on people in their private lives! Just because they are Ahmadi, it does NOT give you an ‘Access all Areas’ pass into their lives! They attend your centres and that’s it, asides from that, they have NOTHING to do with you sickos and EVERYTHING to do with their parents! Leave them be for goodness sake! Most kids grow out of it and what you are doing is just pushing them further and further away! They look at their Muslim friends no doubt and see they ‘normality’ and look at their situation and see ‘weird and messed up’. And hey, Jamaat e Ahmadiyya UK, isn’t it YOU that is attempting to raise almost £20,000,000 to set up prayer centres for the sake of the youth? When your current centres did F all for the.... stupid money grabbers!!! You will not reach your target if I have anything to do with it ;P

We are constantly told how great a sect you are, how Ahmadis are shining examples and the perfect embodiment of what Muslims should be and then, we see this! Mas, in your recent sermon you bragged about ‘CON-verts’ who were into smoking and alcohol and then changed on ‘accepting’ Ahmadiyyat but born and bred Ahmadis, on the ‘chosen one scheme’ are just as bad, if not worse according to this reports! That is why no one should believe a word that comes out of your mouth! You constantly lie and try to put Muslims down, when your own community is messed up to the max (Qaid Scandal/These reports). Parents have the right to know about their children and what they may/may not get up to but Mas does not! He is not a MEHRAM to these girls! He is not a family friend!! He should not be passed on such damning and distasteful reports, and these are passed through various office bearers to get to him! Oh and by the way Jamaat, I am getting in contact with the above named Shisha companies to warn them of your antics, its best they know so they can protect other customers from your creepy culty conduct!

So OK, bring it, lets here the Sunni slander, the Mullah bashing and the ‘all muslims are messed up’ come backs! Bring it to my table, lets hear what you have to say for yourselves but remember this: If a sunni sleeps around, it doesn’t make Qadiani Ahmadiyya Jamaat International any LESS of a cult. (Just thought I would slip that in coz you see, I am ready for you!). And whats that I hear, Mr and Mrs Anonymous'?? What? Did I hear you just say 'not all Ahmadis are rapists, fornicators and frauds'? No, of course not, just like not all Muslims are terrorists. Touche! :P (hurts doesn't it? yeah...thought so).

Kids, if you are reading and recognise yourselves in any of the pictures, you need to make contact with me! I will only give you the information personal to you, and will do so at your request and confirmation of your name, Jamaat and parents’ names. I think you have a right to know what has been written about you, and exactly what sort of information the Jamaat ‘thinks’ it has on you. I don’t know what you can do with it, maybe you can go to the police or more than likely, you will choose to do nothing. This Jamaat has brainwashed its people into thinking it’s OK to carry on like this and those that do not agree with their actions just won’t say anything because it will fall on deaf ears. Let it be known that this won’t stop them because as I said previously, it is embarrassing they have been exposed, rather than them being embarrassed by their actions. This will continue but they will simply up their security and close in on how many people will have access to these documents and their spying operations will certainly intensify only, this time, it will go more underground and fewer people will be involved. 


My advice to all of you: do NOT give them anything to go on, protect yourselves and your reputations…please! For those brave enough, I would report this to the police, it’s perverted, creepy and most certainly illegal if you were under the age of 16. I am sorry if it seems like we are picking on your faults, by highlighting that you guys reportedly ‘messed’ up to show Mas he talks shiz! That’s not the aim of this game; it is to show the world the underworld and creepy tactics of a cult that presents a deceitful and misleading image of itself to the world! See me, I don’t care what you have done because the chances are, most are just ACCUSATIONS as the report clearly states. And even if you did all that plus more, I still don’t care because at one point, I wasn’t the greatest example of how a kid should be either. I was lost too and needed direction; and Alhumdulillah I realised the error of my ways and managed to stagger over to the right side (Islam: Normal Islam: Islam of the Prophet saw). I always used to ask myself this: ‘can my parents be wrong, I am in the wrong religion??…nah they cant be’ but then I would take a look at an image on Islam Channel of millions circling the Kabah and would ask myself ‘surely they ALL cant be on the wrong path..?’

Stick to the majority and you cannot and will not go wrong! Allah will never fail the followers of the Prophet SAW! Regardless of what Ahmadis say, Muslims (non ahmadis) are the followers of the Prophet SAW and Allah SWT will NOT fail them on them not accepting this so called Messiah!! To be or not to be a Muslim is NOT based on accepting/rejecting a Messiah, this is not a fundamental of the Muslim faith and does not determine your status as a Muslim. Please Wake up and check yourselves before you wreck yourselves, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a fraud!! Check your friends going to the Masjids in South London and ask yourselves, how can they ALL be wrong in their beliefs? You are better off with them than the Ahmadis…I promise you that! Spend time with them, improve with them, enjoy with them and develop your Deen with them! 

The Jamaat markets itself as the best of the best, creme de la creme of the ‘Muslim’ world but have nicely shot themselves in the foot with this one! You know if you want, I can publicly prove it to you Mas, if you insist on slating my Muslim brothers and sisters out there..what do you say? Tit for tat I think they call it, right? We can flip the scripts too you know! 

And in the Tariq Magazine, Mr Bhatti tried to convince the readers of the June edition Ahmadiyyat wasn’t a cult! HA. Try again….

Next week… another scandal for you! Spread the word amongst the boys of London, they might be very familiar with this story!!!! (or it might be the Sunday after, I have a wedding to go to on Sunday so I might not be able to get a new piece up on time…).
Let me leave you with this: Imam Suhaib Webb Tearing It Up!!! (no spying involved).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R75Psd0CUc

think about it. Islam Vs Ahmadiyya. Imam Webb Vs Mas. etc Vs etc.

93 comments:

  1. Waqar Akbar Cheema4 September 2011 at 19:17

    Great work sister!

    Continue tightening the noose. You are doing great. With the help of your posts I'll try showing the real face of "Royal Family" to the sheep here in the Land of Pure. Allah be with you!

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  2. Not as great as the work you are doing MashAllah (I have also linked your blog here if you do not mind). InshAllah we will close them down...it wont be long now InshaAllah.

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  3. I would again say: Be ware of all hypocrites!

    They were the ones who had the audacity to accuse the Umm ul Momineen Aisha raz. (24:12)

    They were the ones who would always censure and insult the believers and the prophet saw. God said in the Holy Quran:
    They assail you with sharp tongues. (33:20)
    Now these hypocrites who don’t even have the courage to renounce the belief which they don’t like, are always on the look out for all such things which might hurt Ahmadies.

    God had to tell the prophet saw to ignore their mud-slinging.
    ‘And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk, and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.’(33:49)

    So disregard their mud-slinging all Ahmadies!

    And all hypocrites gathered here! Enjoy the comparison!

    Inni Maaka Ya Masroor!

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  4. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy was I born into this :-{

    plz findings boy/girl we dont care what u r or who u r do not give up we all luv you & we r routing u on more than u can eva know! for every1 bitch that is laughing at u remember we r praying for u! u are the best thing that has happened to the 3/4 generations. i cant thank u enough sister/bro! u have so many fans i promise u: never never never never give up!

    Master D from Southfields CC. a Muslim trapped in the confines of the cult.

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  5. @ anonymous....I am here for the long haul! call me a hypocrite but i am NOT leaving until I drag as many of the dogs down! I PROMISE YOU THAT!! I AM HERE FOR A WHILE= munafiq and WHAT?!!!???????????????????????????????????????

    @ master Dee: you also should never ever ever ever ever give up! inshaAllah we can break them down. be patient...inshAllah!!!

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  6. @ Findings, really shocking and they call themselves the Saved Sect!!! I don't think so.

    Do you think that this also goes on in other countries with the Waqf e Nau scheme, eg Germany, USA and Canada!?!

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  7. "To be or not to be a Muslim is NOT based on accepting/rejecting a Messiah, this is not a fundamental of the Muslim faith and does not determine your status as a Muslim."

    EXACTLYYYYY!!!! Islam is NOT based on who is or isn't the Messiah!

    Was having a very very bad week, thanks for linking the video I put up at the end :-)

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  8. I am with you Findings! A confused Ahmadi :-S

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  9. btw, you can check out Imam Suhaib Webb giving an amazing amazing talk here:
    http://www.qurtubainstitute.org/media.html
    Click on his link

    I warn you though...he acts VERY "gangsta" in the Masjid, beyond what you might be used to.

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  10. All check out Imam Suhaib Webb giving an amazing amazing talk here:

    http://www.qurtubainstitute.org/media.html

    May ALLAH guide Ahmadis back to Islam and out of this FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS

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  11. Could I request all ‘trapped’ Muslims in the confines of Ahmadiyyat to leave Ahmadiyyat as quickly as possible. Whyyyyyyyyyyy and howwwwwwwww are you confined? Whooooo has trapped youUUUU? We have the entire world before us to convey the message of Islam Ahmadiyyat! This mammoth task which is carried out all around the world can never be stopped by your dirty palns. We see our Imam everything possible for this noble cause! How can we think of leaving him and his Jamaat?
    I wonder if there was a munafiq/hypocrite in thee time of the Holy Prophet saw who would take pride in being a munafiq! The new breed is totally unique to this age.

    All true Ahmadies say it loud!
    Inni Maaka Ya Masroor!

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  12. Twisting verses of QURAn and Hadith to fit it on Mirza Masroor kind of person is great sin.

    Just have a look at mirza Masroor do u consider tat person to be Ameer ul Momine? THINK PLZ

    AND STOP THE BLIND FOLLOWING OF THIS FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.

    Ahmadiyya jammat generalize about Islam And Muslim be careful do ur own research

    May ALLAH guide you ppl back to ISLAM and out of this CULT

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  13. Great work sister Findings!
    Let us hope that the kids in those pictures leave the cult that would be a good result.
    Anyone who has been young or knows about young people, will know that you cant confine young people are bully them to conform.
    Islam has to come voluntarily.
    The cult doesnt really care about religion
    they are worried that all these irreligious kids will escape the clutches of the cult
    they will loose their future cash cows
    Yes kids thats what you are cash cows to fund the fat cats who run cult ahmadiyya.
    Be religious because you want to know Allah
    not because there is a fat punjabi uncle watching you from his car with a camera.
    Now is the time to free yourself!
    Come back to Islam and leave cult ahmadiyya

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  14. May Allah make you a means to guide others away from the deceit of Ahmadiyya. Frankly I dont understand how anyone can believe in a prophet after Muhammad(pbuh) as the deen was complete and there are a multitude of hadith that state 'there is no prophet afer me'.

    I hope you continue to expose the lurid workings of the Ahmadiyya organisation.

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  15. @Findings

    1. When would you consider your mission accomplished?


    2. How long from today do you think that would be?


    3. What will it take for you to realise that all your efforts bring no benefit to Islam, if that were the case?

    I'm Ahmadi, please answer honestly.

    Jazakallah Khair

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  16. I don’t understand what this website is trying to do. Every sane person will laugh at you hypocrites! You are calling the youth to leave a community which takes care of their spiritual well-being and join the hoi polloi where they can enjoy unbridled gratification of their worldly desires.
    We should leave Ahmadiyyat and join those, who are doing such shameless thing in the name of Islam that one can hardly bear the sight? Watch youtube. Need links?

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  17. @Findings

    Our Amir UK, Rafiq Hayat, is corrupt! He authorises all these activities that are not lawful.

    You can't spy on anyone! Its against the law. The fact that they are are children is even worse. Amir Sahib, you have no permission from MI6 or MI5 or the government or parents. How dare you!

    I hope that someone reports you to the police so you are put on trial because that's what you deserve.

    The Amir UK goes after anyone he can so that his corrupt activities and fake life is looked over.

    Findings, please expose everything you have on him and get rid of him. He's been around for too long and I know from a personal family experience that this guy doesn't deserve the top job. Most of the things he does are not Islamic.

    There's a lot of corrupt people in the Jamaat, many with senior top positions. I know many of them who play political games and are puppets or corrupt and spread rumors about innocent people.

    I can name as many as 6 Murrabi's that have personally attacked my own father by throwing him out of the jamaat on one occasion for doing nothing wrong. He was also fired from his positions which was completely unfair. I was young at that time ~13 years old. These Murrabi's think that I don't know? Well I know absolutely everything. Whenever I see you I see what's under that fake mask you have on. You are so corrupt and I wish you were fired. The fact is that I will never forgive you because of what you put our family through...and what for? My father did nothing wrong. It was just that someone had a grudge because my father was true and kind.

    alterego

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  18. I don’t see the point in all this. If an Ahmadi leaves the Jamaat and becomes a Muslim as you say it,
    and someone shows him one thousand one naked Muslim girls and boys on the internet?
    If someone shows him what Muslims are doing all around the world?
    I wonder if someone has seen an ARY TV programme ‘Criminals Most Wanted’. They show a weekly crime report of Pakistani Muslims….thousands of murders, hundreds of rapes, robberies, abductions, smuggling, corruption, etc. (How many Ahmadies are involved in such things? They are all non Ahmadies.)
    If that is the criterion for judging then one can never become a Muslim like you.
    After all leave Ahmadiyyat and go to what?
    You must have become an agnostic or an atheist by now! That is your ultimate logical end.

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  19. Xia and Farhan!
    Why are you telling us again and again that Imam Shoaib speaks like this, Tom speaks like that, Harry recites like that? If oratorical skill is the criterion for judging that whether somebody is the Imam of the age or not then prophet Moses could never have been accepted as the prophet of the age.
    1: When Prophet Moses was appointed by God he prayed to God:
    ‘And my breast is straitened and my tongue is not fluent; therefore, send word to Aaron. (26:14)
    2: Aron was more eloquent then Moses yet he was made the greater prophet by God.
    And my brother Aaron — he is more eloquent in speech than I; send him therefore with me as a helper that he may bear witness to my truth. (28:35)

    Now you like Pharaoh disesteem the Imam of the age for the same reason and boast your own abilities. Had they been the Imam of the age God would have made them such. Pharaoh said:
    ‘Nay, I am better than this fellow who is despicable and can scarcely express himself clearly. (43:53)
    Enjoy the comparison!
    By the way, why do you people always fall in the same category which is mentioned as wrong doers in the Holy Quran?
    Inni Maaka Ya Masroor!

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  20. Anonymous 4 September 2011 16:47:

    What does that have to do with Islam? How does that make your theology any better or your Jamaat any less a cult? There are of course murderes, thieves, rapists etc. in the Ummah just as they are in Ahmadiyya. Have you forgotten the rapist who was jailed two weeks ago? Or the judge who had an affair with one of the cleaners? Or the benefit fraudster who was jailed? They were all Ahmadis.

    You people always come up with these kind of silly arguments as if they prove anything. It only shows the level of delusion that blind and brainwashed qadianis like you are suffering from. Your gross generalisations only shows your pure hatred for Muslims.

    And how does any of that justify this kind of nazi spying that is going on in the Jamaat? Why does the Jamaat think that it has the right to intrude into peoples private lives? You go to your politicians and the kuffar and bleat about human rights but have you ever actually read what the human rights are? Article 12:

    "Article 12.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

    You ask what happens after they leave Ahmadiyya? Nothing. They'll be normal Muslims. They'll live a normal live, free from the suffocating grasp of the Jamaat. There will be no intrusion into their private lives, no one will call them in the middle of the night and hassle them about chanda aam, khuddam chanda, ijtema chanda, jalsa chanda, 'voluntary' tehrik-e-jadid chanda, 'voluntary' waqf-e-jadid chanda, wassiyat chanda (if they were forced to sign up for the ticket-to-heaven scheme). They won't have to go to Jalsa, Ijtemas and general meetings. They won't have to repeat their cultish pledges and listen to boring speeches about obedience to khilafat and nizaam. They'll live a normal live, learn about Islam, pay Zakah instead of Chanda and will go to Hajj as Muslims.

    And most importantly they won't be following a false Prophet, a guy who had the audacity to say the follwing:

    "A mere stay in Qadian is better than an optional Hajj (to Mekkah)."
    (Izala-e-Auham, P. 58, footnote)

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  21. The problem you face is, using an extremely small case of spying (which I agree is wrong) as somewhat a representation of the Ahmadiyya.

    You're constantly putting up cases of Individuals (the Qiad case, the rape case etc), rather than a case of collective corruption among normal everyday followers and you constantly make assertions where you're using these Individuals to represent the community at large.

    I can find cases of corrupting within any faith-based community, in an Individualistic society full of a variety of influences of course you will find people who challenge your notion of what YOU think is normal, but you don't seem to realize that.

    I am certainly not convinced, you just come off as despret.

    "... Agreed, kids these days are messed up, I was one of them too once, but I mean seriously? Qadianis are meant to be TRUE MUSLIMS, .."

    and stop using weak justifications, we all understand your frustrations with the community, or else you wouldn't go through the effort of making this blog, but really, no one cares.

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  22. If some human rights activists like you had been there in the time of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa saw and his Khulafae Rashideen they would have had enough for their braying about human rights.
    This jihad, this sariya, this ghazwa, this expedition, this digging of the ditch and this migration, etc etc.
    How can you forget that the sahaba would contribute huge loads for every enterprise the prophet saw was running? Abu Bakr raz when brought the whole of his household items, he was giving ‘Zakah’? When the prophet required sacrifice from Usman raz and he brought a fully loaded caravan of camels. And at the same occasion of Tabook, he was approached once again and he gave another herd of loaded camels. The riwayah mentions the third calling as well. Was that Zakat only or the holy prophet saw was calling his companions for financial sacrifice other than zakat?
    When sahaba would keep an eye on Muslims and if someone would drink alcohol they would even beat him up with punches and kicks, was that not intrusion in personal matters? Mind you Jamaat has never beaten anyone! How dare you know so little of the history of Islam and point your dirty fingers at the Jamaat.
    Ask your Mullahs about these incidents and then come back here.
    Inni Maaka ya Masroor!

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  23. Was that the answer of my question? Leave the jamaat for one bad incident and join people who commit the same dirty things in numbers which go beyond hundreds of thousands.
    Why should we leave Ahmadiyyat?
    As an Ahmadi I believe in one God. He has not taught me any thing un-Islamic.
    I believe in the truthfulness of Prophet Muhammad saw. He has not taught me that.
    I believe in the truthfulness of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as. He has never given any such teaching which is against Islam. Read the ‘Conditions of Bait’! Read ‘Our Teachings’ and if you have little bit of sanity and shame left in you, your head will bow in disgrace.
    I believe in Khilafat e Ahmadiyya Haqqa. All the respected Khulafa of the Promised Messiah as have spent their lives showing us the right path. I have listened to every khutba of huzoor in last seven, eight years. He has always taught us true Islam. He has spoken for countless hours telling us the importance of Namaz, having firm relation with God, and all such topics. We will be extremely ungrateful to God that he showed us the right path and then we relinquished it.
    Now start squawking!
    Why should we leave the Jamaat?
    Inni Maaka ya Masroor!

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  24. Avery old tactic! Catch a straw when you are about to die! Your meanderings will not take you anywhere. Everyone can see how they confused they are. Why talk about Azala Auham here?

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  25. Anonymous

    We are just point out what ur jammat is doing acting like a pure cult which is head by a guy like Mirza Masroor who is just after Common ahmadis Money and nothing else.

    Seriously Mirza Masroor Ameer ul Momine that hypocrite?

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  26. Blog is point out is Jammat's Cult like behavior. And that is the fact.

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  27. Anonymous talked about Dajjal :) it seems he/she dont know about Jammat's belief

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is indecisive on this issue regardless of his interpretation of the ahadith and his argument makes no sense as will be proven.

    …in Arabic Dajjal also connotes a group. If Dajjal is taken to mean someone other than the misguided preachers of Christianity, this would entail a contradiction… the two are one and the same…Dajjal is not the name of one man. (The Essence Of Islam Volume 3 – Page 280)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/books/essence3/essence-3.pdf

    It is quite clear that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believes that other than the clergyman of Christianity, no one else can be termed Dajjal and it is undoubtedly in reference to a group, not one person. However, he then begins adding more groups to this:

    Dajjal in fact is none other than the people known as Christian missionaries and European philosophers. (The Essence Of Islam Volume 3 – Page 281)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/books/essence3/essence-3.pdf

    The group that acts under the command of Satan is called Dajjal. (The Essence Of Islam Volume 3 – Page 281)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/books/essence3/essence-3.pdf

    Perhaps developed nations are Dajjal and their donkey is this railway train which you see going from thousands of kilometres in the countries of East and West. (Roohani Khazain, Izala Auham – Volume 3 – Page 174)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-3-8.pdf

    However he settles on the Christian preachers as the Dajjal and opposing this opinion, according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, is to deny the Holy Qu’ran.

    There is no Dajjal-e-Akbar (Great Dajjal) than Christian Priests and he who waits for another one after the appearance of this turmoil is denying the Qu’ran. (Roohani Khazain, Anjaam Aatham – Volume 11 – Page 47)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-11-33.pdf

    But in the end, as was his habit, he contradicts himself and goes against the Holy Qu’ran according to his own qualifications as he states:

    This is our faith that actually Dajjal is the ‘Ism-e-Azam’ of Satan, which is opposed to the ‘Ism-e-Azam’ of God which is ‘Allah al-Hayee al-Qayoom’. This research proves that in reality neither Jews can be called Dajjal, or Christian Priests or any other nation. (Roohani Khazain, Toufah-Golravea – Volume 17 – Page 269)

    Direct Link: http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-17-56.pdf

    ‘Izm’ means great and ‘Azzam’ means name. However, more importantly note the fact that he initially claims that the Christian priests are Dajjal and to deny this is to deny the Holy Qu’ran and then note how he claims that his later research proves that in reality neither Jews can be called Dajjal, or Christian priests or any other nation.

    SO THE GUY WHO WAS SUPPOSE TO KILL DAJJAL WAS CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT IT IS :)

    http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/

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  28. If any ahmadi or their family have been mistreated and humiliated or expelled by the thugs and goons of the ahmadiyya cult, now is the time to leave.
    You may also want to help expose these corrupt thugs in which case send any information you have anonymously to those people engaged in exposing the corruption!

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  29. Assalam O Alikum

    Thanks for another great great article. Full of quotes from the Holy Quran and ahadith(!) Thanks for Increasing our Islamic knowledge(!) thanks for making me a better Ahmadiyya!

    As for the guy who says his father was excluded from the Jammat for: 'It was just because someone had a grudge and my father was true and kind'. So in what basis was he excluded from the Jammat? Should like complete hocus locus to me!

    Sister findings, poor poor you. Lost.

    Wassalam

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  30. Great Article!
    Xia has again helplessly beaten about the bush in search of any references to carry on his word game. Pathetic! They are telling the world to wait for a one-eyed monster that can show wonders and a Messiah of similar character.
    Pathetic…..pitiable…..
    For heaven’s sake! We are living in 21st century.

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  31. All Ahmadi Imams are just dumb speakers who have no oratory skills right?

    You haven't seen Imam Azhar Haneef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdqncZKZQs&feature=share

    wake up you fool

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  32. "Why talk about Azala Auham here?"

    Because it shows how much the Jamaat is hiding from its members. It's not something that the Jamaat talks about does it? Or have you ever heard any of your Khulafa quote this saying of your Prophet? Speeches about Islam and Salat are good, but that doesn't change the fact that the Jamaat does not show a true picture of Mirza Ghulam qadiani and his beliefs.

    I mean, how many Ahmadis really knew that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani thought that staying in Qadian is better than Umra? This is absolutely shocking and an insult to Allahs religion.

    And then there is the belief about Dajjal. You (or one of the qadianis) posted a link to the artofmisinformation post about Dajjal. But that only makes sense if you choose to ignore some of Mirza Ghulams writing. You actually have to IGNORE some of your PROPHETS writing to make any sense your religion and beliefs! Think about this Ahmadis.

    We Muslims alhamdulillah do not have to ignore anything. We don't hide anything because Allah (SWT) protected His Messenger (SAW) from contradictions.

    Again:
    Islam = simple
    Ahmadiyya = mind-bogglingly confusing

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  33. @ anonymous 5September5:47
    Please refer to this post:
    Xia and Farhan!
    Why are you telling us again and again that Imam Shoaib speaks like this, Tom speaks like that, Harry recites like that? If oratorical skill is the criterion for judging that whether somebody is the Imam of the age or not then prophet Moses could never have been accepted as the prophet of the age.
    1: When Prophet Moses was appointed by God he prayed to God:
    ‘And my breast is straitened and my tongue is not fluent; therefore, send word to Aaron. (26:14)
    2: Aron was more eloquent then Moses yet he was made the greater prophet by God.
    And my brother Aaron — he is more eloquent in speech than I; send him therefore with me as a helper that he may bear witness to my truth. (28:35)

    Now you like Pharaoh disesteem the Imam of the age for the same reason and boast your own abilities. Had they been the Imam of the age God would have made them such. Pharaoh said:
    ‘Nay, I am better than this fellow who is despicable and can scarcely express himself clearly. (43:53)
    Enjoy the comparison!
    By the way, why do you people always fall in the same category which is mentioned as wrong doers in the Holy Quran?

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  34. The question was that why going to Azala Auham before finishing the talk on Zakat chanda, and other things which were being discussed? It shows your desperation that you can never stand on one topic. There are many questions left to be answered by you.
    As for the article so it is very elaborate. Ok one simple question!
    Can you convince an atheist about the existence of a one-eyed monster who can kill masses merely with his breath? No and never. Mr. Xia would start reading extracts from the Promised Messiah’s writings and telling him that he is confused about the subject. Pathetic approach!
    I have read all those extracts and could not find any contradiction. All you need is a pinch of common sense which you don’t have!

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  35. *** Inni Maaka ya Masroor! ***

    /\ BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA !

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  36. Again n again Ahmadis talking about Dajjal but fact is their own prophet Mirza Ghulam was confused about Dajjl and kept changing the belief and contradicting :)

    By the way every thing he called Dajjal is still there are infact became more powerful than Before


    THINK AHMADIS LEAVE THE CULT

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  37. Beaten really???

    Read What MGA SAID

    One place Dajjal is Missionaires
    Then Dajjal is Developed Nations
    Then Missionaries and nations cannot be Dajjal its Name of Satan :D

    CONTRADICTION OF MIRZA GHULAM

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  38. What you present in the name of contradiction needs a bit of common sense to understand. The examples of such contradictions can be given from Quran and Hadith. They are not contradictions to me but I wonder why you don’t doubt the veracity of Quran and Hadith on account of such contradictions.
    1:
    Is it right that the wife of a prophet is the mother of believers?
    The Prophet is nearer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. (33:7)
    Then it is said: their mothers are only those who gave them birth. (58:3)
    2:
    What was created first?
    He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth; then He turned towards the heavens, and He perfected them as seven heavens; and He knows all things.(2:30)
    Are you harder to create or the heaven that He has built? He has raised the height thereof and made it perfect. And He has made its night dark, and has brought forth the morn thereof; And the earth, after that, He spread forth. (79:28-31)
    3:
    Allah’s day?
    And verily, a day with thy Lord is as a thousand years of your reckoning. (22:48)
    He will plan the Divine Ordinance from the heaven unto the earth, then shall it go up to Him in a day the duration of which is a thousand years according to what you reckon. (32:6)
    The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years. (70:5)

    In the Holy Quran we find:
    ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers ;( 2:286)
    Then it is said:
    These Messengers have We exalted, some of them above others: among them there are those to whom Allah spoke; and some of them He exalted by degrees of rank. (2:254)
    The Holy Prophet saw:
    Do not give preference to me over other prophets of Allah. (Bokhari)
    Do not give preference to me over Moses and Jesus. (Bokhari)
    I am the best of all creation….. best of all prophets. (Bokhari)


    I wonder why you haven’t penned articles pointing out these contradictions as well. Or you will take it as your next target?
    Inni Maaka ya Masroor!

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  39. "The question was that why going to Azala Auham before finishing the talk on Zakat chanda, and other things which were being discussed?"

    Huh? I wasn't really talking about it, I was just making a general comment. But what do you think? Should people go to Qadian instead of Makka?

    Ok, so you are saying that just because it looks like a contradiction at first glance, it really isn't, just like in the Quran. Right?

    So it shouldn't really be a problem to explain Mirza Ghulam's contradictions then. First he says that Christian Priests are the Dajjal and then later he says they are not. At some point he says that nations are the dajjal and then later they are suddenly not. Please explain.

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  40. Findings/Xia

    Have you any answers or not?
    The ultimate end of hypocrisy…..smitten with insanity

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  41. @ Findings
    Where you are cornered you tell us that you were making general comments about it. Then you meander to a new thing.
    And another verse of the Holy Quran telling us the doings of hypocrites in the time of Holy Prophet saw.
    When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said, ‘Their religion has deluded these men.’ And whoso puts his trust in Allah, then surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise.(8:50)
    Don’t you tell us the same thing?
    You resemble them in every detail.

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  42. Ahmadiyyas official line:

    "The Ahmadiyya Muslim community is dedicated to establish peace at all levels and to protect the basic human rights of all."

    http://www.alislam.org/peaceprize/

    Yet the Ahmadiyya Jamat is guilty of breaching article 12 of the universal declaration of human rights:

    "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

    Can any Ahmadi explain?

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  43. @Anonymous 4 September 2011 19:53:

    "The problem you face is, using an extremely small case of spying (which I agree is wrong) as somewhat a representation of the Ahmadiyya. "

    Two cases have already been presented and there are more to come (if sister Findings wants to put them up of course). Who do you think ordered them to spy on these youths? And did Mirza Masroor not read the reports?

    This is not just the wrongdoing of an individual, it is systematical. It IS representative of the Ahmadiyya Community. It's all part of the bullying and mind control within Ahmmadiyya.

    As far as the youths are concerned: it's of course wrong what they are doing. But it's the job of the parents to educate them. It certainly is not the job of the Ahmadiyya to police its members, to spy and report on them. This is very creepy and has a whiff of Soviet-style wiretapping about it.

    Rasulullah (saw) told us to hide our sins and especially not expose the sins of others (which is not the case here as no names were mentioned). No matter how you twist it and turn it: Ahmadiyya has no right to intrude and control their members lives like this. Islamically or otherwise.

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  44. "Where you are cornered you tell us that you were making general comments about it."

    First of all, I'm not Findings. Second, we never were talking about chanda. It was a response to the following question by a qadiani:

    "After all leave Ahmadiyyat and go to what?"

    The gist of that question was what happens when people leave Ahmadiyya. That's what I replied to. I hoper that's cleared now.

    After that I don't know what we are talking about. All I know is that you are avoiding Mirza Ghulams quotes like they are the plague. Hardly any Ahmadi knows that Mirza Qadiani believed staying in Qadian was more beneficial than doing Umra.

    And the Dajjal case is not as clear cut as you want it to be. I have read the article on theartof but the quotes there are very selective. The contradictions of Mirza Ghulam remain. You posted supposed contradictions in the Quran and I don't know what you were trying to achieve with that. You said yourself you don't believe them to be contradictions. Well, neither do we.

    I think what you were trying to say is that just because it looks like a contradiction at first, it doesn't have to be. Yes, that's fine. Accepted. But you still haven't explained how that applies to Mirza ghulams contradictions. They really are contradictions at first glance and at the second and third. You are saying they are not? How? PLEASE EXPLAIN!!

    Ok, that's cleared then. I hope you don't chicken out now.

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  45. At once Place Mirza Ghulam say Christian Missionaries are Dajjal, and Developed Nations are Dajjal

    But other place he said they cannot be called DAJJAL :)

    Come on u if u Ahmadis Cannot Defend MIRZA GHULAM then dont comment to make a joke out of ur self

    By the way
    Christian Missionaries
    Developed Nations
    and Satan

    all are still there so MIRZA GHULAM WAS PROVEN A FAILURE ONCE AGAIN

    READ PLZ:
    http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/

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  46. Mr anonymous can you please stop plugging your blog here! I am not going to advertise it for you for free... If you want to boost your own reader base do your own hard work and don't ride off the back of mine. This is the last time any comment of yours is being allowed with you plugging this blog of yours- do not link it here again! Spread the word on rah e huda instead...coz sooooooooo many Ahmadis read it, right ;) Your article is whack and PATHETIC. 'Filth' hey Mr... Its YOUR filthy jamaats doing not mine. Truth. Don't you plug your crap around here again- you have been warned.

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  47. This will be the last time I'll be visiting or worrying about this site. Good riddance.

    You are filth, and the Jama'at of the Promised Messiah does not need people like you.

    I now quote from the Promised Messiah (as) himself:

    "Whosoever does not wish to forgive the faults of those who may have transgressed against him, and desires to nurse malice, he is not of my community.

    Whosoever, as a habit, sits among those who are hostile to me, falling into tacit and silent agreement with them, he is not of my community."

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurTeaching.pdf

    You clearly fall under these 2 categories seeing as this entire blog was based upon something you have against some people in the Jama'at, and not religion because you clearly do not have even an ounce of the fear of Allah (subhana wa ta 'ala) in your heart.

    Keep calling us filth. Keep calling us a cult.

    The Promised Messiah (as) says:

    "Do not fear the curses the world might heap on you for they melt in the air like smoke, they cannot turn day into night. What you should be afraid of is the curse that comes from God, which totally uproots from both the worlds, those on whom it falls.

    You cannot save yourself with hypocrisy and pretence, because thy God Who is your Lord can see to the inner-most depths of your being. How, then can you hope to deceive him?"

    Continue heaping insults and continue in your hypocrisy and spying. We shall remain steadfast in the path of light.

    Wasalam

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  48. SALAM to all.
    I have one Good Idea for all the Muslims who are beliving in AlMighty "Allah" and they have pure "IMAN" or positive think that Allah can talk and Allah can tell the truth to his mankind specially The Muslims, through any mode which He Almighty think better then "WHY NOT ALL MUSLIMS DO PRAYER TO ALLAH THAT HE ALMIGHTY TELL THEM THAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMED QADIANI IS TRUE PROMISING MASSIAH OR NOT" the burden is on the muslim that they have to prove them selves that they are true and real muslim with real "IMAN" or just wear the muslim skin but they are real munkareen in Islam. "Na kabulaingey or na kabulney dengey bus fitna he khara kareengey"

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  49. Ok. One simple question! Can you negate the whole argument presented by someone by merely pointing out three apparently contradicting sentences? In that case the Holy Prophet saw can not be proved the best of all prophets.
    Look how God and the Holy Prophet saw both are confused about it.
    In the Holy Quran we find:
    ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers ;( 2:286)
    Then it is said:
    These Messengers have We exalted, some of them above others: among them there are those to whom Allah spoke; and some of them He exalted by degrees of rank. (2:254)
    The Holy Prophet saw:
    Do not give preference to me over other prophets of Allah. (Bokhari)
    Do not give preference to me over Moses and Jesus. (Bokhari)
    I am the best of all creation….. best of all prophets. (Bokhari)

    The article presents great insight on the topic of dajjal and it has many excerpts form the writings of the Promised Messia as but you are dragging us to complete twaddle.
    Inni Maaka ya Masroor!

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  50. Anonymous 6 September 2011 07:39 :

    A question is not an answer to a question. You are avoiding the issue. Why do Ahmadis always run away from their OWN Prophet's writings?

    We both don't believe these ayahs and ahadith to be contradictions, so why do you keep posting them? I understand what you are trying to say but you have again not shown how this applies to Mirza Ghulams contradicting writings.

    The article ignores many of Mirza Ghulams writings.

    And what about a stay in Qadian being more beneficial than Umrah?

    And what about the Ahmadiyyas breach of human rights?

    A lot of talk by Qadianis, but no answers. As always.

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  51. Hahaha im in one of those pictures :) nice im famous :P

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  52. hiya amazing work,

    i am one of those boys in the pictures above, im not a child anymore, im 20 can you plz match the images with the cases, plz

    thnx findings

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  53. Hi to the two posters above! Could you please contact me at findingsfindings@hotmail.co.uk. This also applies to anyone else who may recognise themselves in the pics.

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  54. I don't understand what you are all on about. What exactly are you fighting or debating about?

    I'm true, no! I'm true. Sunni vs Ahmadi, Ahmadi vs Shia, Shia vs Sunni, Muslims vs Christians,the World vs Islam, Sunni vs Sunni, Ahmadi vs Ahmadi, Shia vs Shia..etc

    Do you know what who cares! Believe in what you want to believe in. If it works for you, good on you.

    For me my religion, for you your religion.

    Only Allah knows everything and everyone will die one day and be called infront of Allah to account for themselves.

    If you believe in something then live by it. If you are a Muslim, then behave like one. If you are an Ahmadi then behave like one. If you want to leave then leave. If you are Sunni, behave like one and accept your beliefs.

    Be respectful of all religions and faith.

    There will always be bad and corrupt people in all faiths. Yes there are corrupt Ahmadi's, fake Ahmadi's etc, but that's the same for all other sects and faiths.

    The simple fact is one person does not mean a religion/faith is wrong and false.

    I'm an Ahmadi and when I see another Ahmadi acting corrupt then it is bad, it does hurt. But the simple fact is he/she will have to answer to Allah. And I wish they had fear in their hearts so they understood their evil ways. All you can do is educate them and remind them what's right. Its up to them to change.

    I am an Ahmadi and always will be. I believe Ahmadiyyat is the truth. I am educated and have studied religion and I believe in Ahmadiyyat.

    You may not believe in it and that's fine. I respect you for your beliefs.

    But don't go around ridiculing others and don't throw insults and don't tell others they are false.

    I don't fear people. It doesn't worry me if people throw insults at me. The fact is people throw insults at Prophets of Allah and even at Allah. Now that's bad and evil.

    Allah will judge me and that's the only fear I have.

    Wasalam
    /////

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  55. hey fiindingz .. iiv sent an email to yur email add .. reply soon plz thnx

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  56. Dear Anonymous 6 September 2011 07:39

    Please have someone reply to my emails. Shouldn't you be catching up on incomplete fasts, considering you like the majority of Muslims celebrated Eid on the WRONG day?

    I am hearing they are giving millions in Sadqa for such a BIG MISTAKE. Isn't the Islam you follow better than ours?

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  57. The Promised Messiah (as) says:

    "Do not fear the curses the world might heap on you for they melt in the air like smoke, they cannot turn day into night. What you should be afraid of is the curse that comes from God, which totally uproots from both the worlds, those on whom it falls.

    You cannot save yourself with hypocrisy and pretence, because thy God Who is your Lord can see to the inner-most depths of your being. How, then can you hope to deceive him?"

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  58. 'Love for all, hatred for none??' Hardly, ive never heard such hatred for a sister before. I know its just a slogan by Ahmadis to fool the 'white' people into liking you.

    When people believe in falsehood and have no firm belief in their religion they feel insecure and lash out, its not suprising Ahmadis do this, it happens nearly every time I meet one.

    Sister stand firm, you have left an awful cult which only survives by begging non muslims for help. Their 'khilafah' owns no land and begs to live amongst the kufaar, under secular laws as he is too scared to establish Islam in muslim lands, what a looser!!

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  59. My question not answered!
    Can I say that the Holy Prophet saw was not the best of all creation or the best of all prophets because he was himself confused about it?
    I know you will never answer this question.

    But if you answer and your answer is a big no, then those three lines presented by Xia will never serve the purpose.
    All I want to prove is the absurdity of this kind of argument.
    Will you tell an atheist that Dajjal is a big monster and he will be killed by someone who will come down from skies, because a person living in Qadian was confused about it.
    You answer my question and I will straight away explain how those three lines are not contradictory.
    And I need reference that ‘Mere stay in Qadian is better than Ummra.’

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  60. Is this for real? My God....i live in a city in Canada where theres a large population of Arabs, and they are buckwild...this is nothing compared to what they do, they are the lost cause.

    I have not seen any intervention for the muslim youths where I live.

    Not only that, but we have alot of SOmali gangs here. I dont see any intervention from the Sunni Muslim community to guide them on the right path.
    You see somali girls with hijabs tied backwards but their boobs are up teo their chins! In addition, they rob the gov't...im sure we all are familar with how they do that. In case your confused, taht too is corruption.

    And you got the balls to put this B.S on the web about Ahmadis?!? Are you for real?!
    You need to get your shit together and focus on YOUR PEOPLE FIRST.

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  61. Go Rafiq Go. You are a pain.
    What are you doing?
    Your days are up. You are now history.

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  62. Dear sister - are you also going to slowly expose our sunni brothers that spend their time in Heera Mandi lahore? - we must stop this dirty practice that happens in plain sight of the authorities OR ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE EXEMPT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELONG TO A CULT?

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  63. This is hilarious.

    Findings has lots of fans...lol

    The Rash

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  64. This is so boring, I mean if you think your article is bad take a trip down to Manchester, Birmingham, Oldham, Blackburn, Doncaster, Luton, Leicester. The non Ahmadi's are doing alot worse. And pin pointing out a few ppl in your report doesnt mean all the youth are the same and besides you could have made half of that up andthose pictures are probably of your non ahmadi friends all trying to help you get out of the so called 'cult'. Oh by the way im going to a wedding too this weekend, cant wait to bump into you, who knows you maybe uncovered then. (I.P Address) zindabad!

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  65. LOL as one of the posts above say I am not a child no more I am 20, suggests these are images from time ago, FINDINGS you are giving obsolete information, tut tut tut.

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  66. All i would like to say is that i was born in an ahmadi family and iam so grateful and proud of it and can not thank God Almighty enough and i feel pity for you because i dont think its your fault its just yur upbringin yur parents havnt rele taught yu anyfing.. and by yu jus exposing a minority of mis-led youngsters would not effect millions and millions of people turning ahmadies all around the world they see it as a true religion and inshallah we will spread the message and sooner or later you will realise the mistake you are doing.... and one more thing if yu are rele proud that you reverted then why wouldnt yu confront and stand up for yur decision and not be scared of your parents????? i just think yur been utterly ridiculous for writting up these blogs as you rele dont hve nuffin better to do in life!!! i would rele pray for you that Allah shows you the right path !!!!

    AHMADI AND PROUD!!!!
    LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE

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  67. No answers to anonymous 6 September 2011 16:17

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  68. Hi can you please disable anonymous posting?

    Anonymous Findings is not exposing these ahmadi kids but instead exposing Jammat' cult like behavior try to understand

    Rafiq Hayat and Masroor are corrupt from CORE and just after money

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  69. No Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was not confused and u attacking Prophet (SAW) coz of Mirza Ghulam lies and Absurd stuff show how blindly ur following this Family owned business.


    As I said ur unable to answer about Mirza Ghulam Dajjal Contradiction so u start attacking Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

    but that will not change the fact that MIRZA GHULAM DIDNT KNOW WHAT DAJJAL IS AND GAVE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS.... REMEMBER HE MAIN PURPOSE AND CLAIM WAS TO KILL DAJJAL BUT HE FAILED.

    Remember all this that he called Dajjal are still around infact stronger than before


    ALL AHMADIS PLEASE READ MIRZA GHULAM ABOUT DAJJAL:
    http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/

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  70. @ anonymous who is going to the wedding on sunday..whateves man.. Its not even a qadi wedding! LOL! Its my bangladeshi friend's wedding in whitechapel... Don't try it!

    Yep yep apparently someone already has documents and pics of me..I'm waiting to be exposed (lol). Hurry with the IP hunt etc etc... I'm waiting with your prize!!

    Oh and the rest of you people making totally ridic comments- REAAAAAAAD the damn blog article!!!! Its about the spying of jamaat- who gives a damn what Mali kids in canada get up to! So ridic... Let's hear you loving for all hatreding for none ahmadis defend your creepy jamaat!!

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  71. Findings you dont have any friends and if it wasnt for the so called 'Qadi' you would not go to any weddings cos no one else invites you. No friends equals you keep thinking of scams during the week and a bright idea hits your head on a Saturday nite and you post summat on Sunday. What a liberty on the world, go to Bangladesh and become a nun. And you XIA, whats your background, who yout think you are calling Ameer Sahib and Huzoor random names, you dont see us dissing your leaders, oh damn who is your leader, oh silly me its FINDINGS. This BLOG is a jokem but atleast XIA and Findings can get some FAME, what a liberty!

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  72. The world be aware special day for findings on 23rd Sept. Watch this space.

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  73. LOL i dont have any friends... how childish! lol.

    OK i am waiting....23rd sept! bring it orrrrrrrn!

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  74. yo findingz

    i posted a comment abuv saiin that one ov da pikz are of me .. nd i gave yu an email .. nd yu havnt replied yet .. im waiitin..

    Ray

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  75. ^^ sorry bro! check your emails shortly..and same to the others who have contacted me regarding this! check junk mail if it does not automatically appear in your inbox! any problems, report back...

    findings.

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  76. Well done.

    Now why don't you stop being scared and expose yourself instead of hiding. Jamaat doesn't need you. In fact they are better off without you. So hurry up, leave the Jamaat and live your own life.

    Except you probably have no life and nothing better to do which is why you started this blog.

    What if anything do you expect to achieve? You think this childish little blog of yours will bring down a worldwide united community? No, it is you who will be the looser in the end.

    The way you write is so childish and immature. You have nothing. You can achieve nothing. If this Jamaat was not truly from Allah, then don't you think that Allah would have destroyed it by now?

    Where is the Messiah if he is not Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? Is he going to come flying down from the heavens? Is the Messiah of the Jews going to come and save the Muslims? No.

    Ahamdis believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) was Khatamun Nabiyeen. But this does not mean no Prophet can come after him, it means no LAW BEARING Prophet can come, meaning Islam is the last religion and Rasoolullah (saw) is the last Prophet to bring a new Shariah. If you can understand this and have an open and unbiased mind then you will see the truth.

    Your efforts here will come to nothing. DO some research with an open mind. Why don't you pray to Allah that he guides you, that he shows you the truth instead of making a silly blog like this?

    You are acting as others have said like a Hypocrite.

    If you have a problem with the Jamaat and no longer want to be a part of it then so be it. Go your own way and let us go our own way, making this blog and sending it to all members of the Jamaat is not going to achieve much except maybe satisfy your vain desires and give you a sense of revenge.

    Ultimately you will see that you and all you people who call us a cult will come to nothing while Ahmadiyyat, The True Islam will triumph.

    Why has the Jamaat not been destroyed yet? It's been more than 100 years, does Allah not destroy the liars? Think about that.

    Repent and seek forgiveness and enter back into Ahmadiyyat if you want to be saved and brought back to the right path.

    Otherwise Go, leave and go your own way, leave us be and we will leave you be, what we do in our Jamaat has no business with you. It is with Allah. It is not for you to tell others. If you don't want to be part of the Jamaat stop hiding like a child and leave with some dignity.

    This goes for all you out there who turn back after they have believed.

    Go and fix your own non-Ahamdis who commit crimes which one cannot even speak of and engage in unIslamic customs.

    Do what you will, have your temporary fun if you will, you cannot harm us. You are nothing.

    Wassalam
    May Allah guide you all.

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  77. Hey findings I sent u an email today...can u reply soon plz

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  78. Findings: I also sent u an e-mail haven't heard back yet

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  79. Findings your sooooooooo going down!!!!

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  80. i have been searching about Islam for quite sometime...i would take you seriously if:
    1) you gave any strong points.
    2) the name of your blog did not sound like a show about prostitutes.
    anyway the search continues....

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  81. LOL, in the words of the 'cult girl' Bigup to Anonymous said... 10 September 2011 03:38. See even non ahmadis laugh at your pathetic attempt to be famous and change the world. Your mission has failed.

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  82. I think there are serious problems with the jamath and Muslim ummah as a whole. Just a question for findings, will u be happier when u join the void? You think by marrying a 'Muslim brother' you will find the happiness you don't have now? You can use the jamath, and don't let it use you, marry a liberal Ahmadi like I did, live in peace. You, by the sounds of it have had a bitter experience because u r too close and getting your fingers burnt. Jammath has a lot to offer u and I know u don't have kids right now but life is harder when u r by yourself in this world. Don't kick ur parents, jamath as u r a product of thm and 'it'. I am sorry but everything on here is a personal vendetta for your sorry childhood. But sadly not all ahmadies feel the same way. And lastly you talk of corruption. Are u not currupt? Do you think the million Sunni Shia orhanizations u dream to rejoin are not corrupt. Corruption is the other face of every coin.

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  83. "Stick with the majority and you cannot go wrong" !!!! lol i am sure like you that was the "logic" of people like "abu jehal" and the kufaar of Arabia at the advent of the our beloved Holy prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon Him)
    Ahmadiyyat zindabad!

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  84. A useless rant by a misguided person. Ahmadi's are not perfect but Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam. We did not accept Ahmadi's, we accepted Ahmadiyyat the True Islam.

    If I were to ask a non-muslim to accept Islam on the basis of the behavior of Muslims around the world, he/she would spit at me.

    If there are problem that are of concern, then there is a process/a system in the Jama'at that these get addressed through.

    I myself have had several times run into issues that appeared odd or awkward. In 1 or two cases I went directly to Huzur and was heard and action taken.

    I feel sorry for that fact that you have taken the track of loss. You are giving our enemies ammunition based on falsehood.

    There were munafiqs during the time of all prophets, the Ahmadiyya jamaat is no exception.

    May Allah guide you. Ameen.

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  85. Being a Muslim, remember the words of the holy Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him), never it is the task of a muslim to show others the mistakes of his human fellows. And remember one thing else, because of the extremist and many other muslims (like the wahabi royal family in saudia) already the Islam get a bad image, do you think now that the islam is a bad religion? Just because of some muslims, who act wrong ?
    The president of Egypt, Ghaddafi, Terrorism in the Name of Allah, Hisbollah....and so on. And what exactly you do for Islam?

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  86. But RAF and his corrupt allies are big munafiqs they have all thred qualities of the noble munafiq tell lies do not honour promises anc fights back or stab back

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  87. why have you blocked these girls and boys pictures....? if you put pictures of our khalifa...which is a disgrace and making for of him why wud you not show these girls and boys pictures....?

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    1. those boys and girls are children of your Jamaat! Your Jamaat treats them like crap and humiliates them and ruins their reputations but I wont. Do you not care about them? I do.

      Your Khalifa ia s public figure who is a mockery in the Muslim world. I can find his pictures on Google but those pictures were taken without the consent of the children.

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    2. So THATS why I won't put their pics up! Remember these are children of Waqf e Nau, do you not care about them? Shall I put their pictures up??

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  88. Thats why our jammat is so strict.....and how dare you even make fun of our khalifa......and please do show there faces because i might noe these kid...what ever they are doing is wrong and the parents fault will be for this//...

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  89. Anyways why wud i care for waqf e nau children when they are bad children and doing bad stuff....!

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  90. These stories are all too familiar, the spying just doesn't stop. I rate you for creating this as I know so many of the younger generation like myself have been born into this every time we spoke or had an opinion it was clamped down and the reasoning always twisted. I feel that so many people are scared to leave from the fear of being ostracized from the family and community.

    Recently my cousins local president followed her from college going into and coming out of her sisters new house (which he didnt knw was her new house but y shud he what business is it of his)and put 2and2 together making 5 told her dad she had a bf. He often hangs outside her college to spy on the Ahmadi girls. What it makes it worse is the sadars own daughter is the on eup to no good. Its a disgrace and this kind of stuff really needs to stop its stalking and harrassment.

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  91. well done, nice finding.

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