Tuesday, 6 December 2011

The Sunday Scandal Session 11: Ahmadiyya Jamaat, Shabir Bhatti and Yet Another 'Gang' Report

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Salaam!

It is a long post today, so don’t complain in the comment section that ‘I am being boring’ because I am warning you nit pickers well in advance. This particular post has been a long time coming. It is about a gang called 'The Paki Mafia' and Dr Shabir Bhatti. There is also a list of recommendations from the 'Tarbiyyat' Department on how to control the problem of 'gangs'. I have been meaning to put it up since August, but other matters have taken priority! The documents presented below have been in my possession since the day they were circulated to a few Jamaat officials over a year ago. At the time, I did not think much of them because after all, the Ahmadiyya Jamaat have done and continue to do far worse, but as we have all come a long way and I know a lot of young Ahmadis are reading, I thought they would be interested in this!All names, addresses and other sensitive information have been removed, to protect the identities of those involved.


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Firstly, have a look at the document discussing Gang Culture and Ahmadi children. One of the first things that came to my attention is that yet again, there is clearly a problem with Ahmadis attending the local Jamaat facilities, be they the local hired halls or ‘Mosques’, for congregational prayers. As I showed you in a previous instalment, they are looking to build more centres (not ‘Mosques’) because officials at Ahmadiyya Jamaat HQ claim that they are in urgent need of these to accommodate the high level of worshippers. As their own statistics confirm, as well as for example, concerns highlighted in this document, it is clear few Ahmadis bother attending congregational prayers. Yet they insist on building more, when the ones they do have are vacant and empty for most of the time! FAIL! What is going on here?

Why is it that Mosques of ‘the other non true Islam’ are generally full at prayer times, yet the ‘true Islam’ centres are empty and few bother showing up for Salah? So much for ‘revivalist Islam’, with the Ahmadiyya Jamaat claiming to be forerunners in the Islamic World, taking things back to the Sunnah of our Prophet SAAS, when their followers can’t even stand in line to offer their prayers together! There is a problem, it is clear there is a problem but Ahmadis insist they are the ones leading by example, waving the banner of Islam, but the basics are not even in order! They really expect us to fall for their hype, when their ‘visible merchandising’ is in such a disgraceful state! Use your logic lovely people! It won’t hurt!

I understand that youngsters these days are often up to no good, and Ahmadi children are by no means any exception. The fact that the Ahmadiyya Jamaat has acknowledged this in some ways is a very good thing; no real harm can come from trying to take positive steps to improve the overall behaviour and lifestyle of the young. However, if you note from the recommendations, not once did they discuss taking steps or appropriate action to improve the youngsters’ understanding of Islam. There was not a single mention of the possibility of organising Tafsir classes, or Tajweed classes (heck, if their KhaLIEfa recites verses of the Holy Quran as if he is singing at a Pakistani Mendi, what hope do his young followers have) or even just history of Islam courses?

As Muslims on the other hand, we have popular institutions in the UK, like the Al-Maghrib institute, that offer amazing courses for the Muslims, and local Mosques offering everything from basic Arabic classes to Sister circles to Seerah courses. Instead, these ‘true Muslims’ think the way forward is through “systematic sports programme, social meetings and collective Tarbiyati programmes”. Sports programmes are really going to help these kids, right?! The Ahmadiyya Jamaat has failed its youth! It on one hand proudly claims that they are the true Islam, when the vast majority of Ahmadi youngsters do not even know how to recite the Holy Quran. Instead of, as they claim the title of ‘true Muslims’, teaching them the Quran extensively, they focus on pointless ‘Ijtemas’ with speeches on ‘Chanda’ and ‘financial sacrifices’. Is this really Islam? Are they really Muslims?

I know in the past Ahmadis have said ‘every community has bad examples’ and the way the world is, children are going to stray, be they Ahmadi or not. I agree, 100%. What I have a problem with is this Jamaat’s claims of being the ‘true Islam’, when after only being around for a mere 100 odd years, it is already struggling to keep people on ‘their path’. What good was their ‘Messiah’, when not only did he fail the Muslim world, but the ones who have chosen to follow him can’t even stick on the straight and narrow! Something is wrong here. Use your God given common sense and put 2 and 2 together! God is not with this Jamaat. This is not the Jamaat of Allah. They know it, we know it.



Anyways, moving on, now let us take a quick look at the Gang List, containing the names of some twenty odd young men, together with their AIMS numbers and the names of their fathers. The main concern for the Ahmadiyya Jamaat is the ‘Paki Mafia Group’; which they alleged is a group of young Ahmadi men, who loiter on the streets of South London, drinking, smoking and what have you not. There is also a mention of another ‘gang’, but we do not have its name to hand. The Ahmadiyya Jamaat accuses these men of being part of this ‘gang’, throwing names about, along with the names of their innocent fathers and showing their addresses. Young Ahmadis, does it not freak you out, to think it is considered absolutely normal to compile such lists, hold all this information on you and that it is circulating freely amongst various Jamaat workers? The fact that each young man is identified with an AIMS number says it all; this is not normal and it is creepy. What ‘Islam’ holds such information on its followers like that? There is no room for ‘organisation’ when it comes to the spiritual developments of the Muslim.

Finally, let’s take a look at the letter from none other than our very own Dr Shabir Bhatti, in which he addresses these gang members! What is the very first thing you notice? Dr Shabir Bhatti is concerned with one thing and one thing only: “jama’at’s name being tarnished”. That is all it is about. It is not about offering help for the spiritual and social development of the young Ahmadis, for the betterment of not only this life, but the life in the hereafter, it is about REPUTATION. This is a ‘sect’ that claims to be reviving Islam, yet when it comes to assisting its youth, there is no Islam and it is all about reputation.
I had a conversation with a very senior Ahmadi not long back and do you know what his explanation was? “We claim to be the best, and our children have Muslim names, so in order for them not to get mixed up with Ghair Ahmadi children, it is important they behave differently to others”. He then went on to say that “if the Jamaat is made to look like it has problems, the Mullahs will jump on it, as we say we are the best”. There you have it. It is not about Islam. It is not about their Deen. It is not about their Emaan. It is not about their Akhira. It is about how the Ahmadiyya Jamaat will look. It is about competition and about competing with the ‘ghair Ahmadis’ in a bid to out do them, so that the AhmadiyyaJamaat comes out gleaming! Sorry to break it to you Jamaat, but we all know now that this is not the case and your not so pretty window dressing is slowly starting to come apart.

It seems that not only is Dr Shabir very concerned with the image of the Jamaat, he has also assumed the role of PC Plod and a Crown Court Judge too! The power has gone to his head in his pathetic role as ‘Naib Ameer’, and he is now enforcing what one might mistake as the conditions of a law enforced ASBO, or perhaps even the conditions of bail!

Let us take a look at them again, shall we?
There is a restriction in place on all members listed below. No more than two of you can be seen together within 10 meters (30 feet) of each other.
  1. This will apply to all areas outside of the mosques and school/educational institutions and at all times. 
  2. You may gather in homes, or within halls where a jama’at or family function is taking place without restriction.
  3. If more than two of you are seen together, all the individuals involved will be reported for consideration of further action.
  4. These restrictions will stay in place until the 9th of January 2011, when they will be reviewed. You may not consider the restrictions have been eased until you are specifically informed so.

Who does Dr Shabir Bhatti, a doctor from Kent, think he is ordering these men around like that? Who does he think he is, giving out direct instructions of where these men should socialise  and how far apart they should stand from one another? And where does he get off, threatening them like that with ‘further action’? Remember, this is a community that on one hand presents an image to its white MP friends as one that is free, open and loving; but reality of it is, is that this is a controlling CULT that threatens its members with ‘social action’ if they do not comply with their demands! There is no way Ahmadi parents would have approached the Jamaat for help in taming these boys, the Ahmadi parent is always fearful of ‘what the Jamaat will say’ and how bad they will look in front of others. All of this is a direct result of the ‘Ahmadi Snitch Culture’, where Ahmadis will ‘grass up’ one another’s short comings to officials in the Jamaat. It is a disgusting habit, and one that is actively encouraged and supported by the heads of the Community!

So Dr Shabir Bhatti, Secretary ‘Tarbiyyat’ of the United Kingdom and Naib Ameer to Big Daddy Ameer Rafiq Hayat, what do you have to say for yourself? As if spying on young girls wasn’t bad enough, we now have this too! What do you think you are playing at, bullying these youngsters, threatening them and their parents with ‘action’, and even going as far as placing restrictions on how they are seen in public? If they had broken conditions of their 'ASBOS' where would this information likely to have come from? You guessed it! On the say so of regular Ahmadis!  Do you think this is normal in today’s day and age, in a modern Britain? Have you ever heard of any 'members only club' that hands out curfews and orders like that??

You admit that these boys might be entirely innocent, and that these measures are precautionary, but you still think its OK to have their names dragged through the mud? You worry about the reputation of the Jamaat, when no one was likely to have known these boys were Ahmadi, but you seem to care very little about the reputation of these young lads and their poor parents! Children are their parents gems, now who the hell are you to tarnish them like that? Imagine if this was your own child! How dare you!

I am not finished with you just yet Shabs! I have another instalment that involves your pathetic make believe department. You might need to seek professional medical help, because it seems to me that you are actually not all there in the head! You are a evil, split personality hypocrite; who cheats the non Ahmadi into thinking all is well and fun within your community, when in actual fact it is nothing short of a creepy CULT!

So much for saved sect of Islam! The entire community is in a mess. I guess it’s expected though, right? You mess with Islam like that, the only way is down! This community is corrupt and spiritually bankrupt. Ooops sorry, have I spoilt your reputation by exposing how your perverse Cult isn't in order? What are you going to do, have my wrists slapped with a ‘social curfew’?


Tune of the day:  Dedicated to Raffy!

42 comments:

  1. Ooops! This was supposed to be a very rough draft but was posted accidentally. Will sort it out later on today. Have a read anyways if you want.

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  2. Easy on the intimidation. His daughters are not to blame. Dont stoop to his level please.

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  3. Paki mafia- I have deleted your comment. You can comment again, minus any threats. I could get in trouble for that and you don't want that now doo you?

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  4. Props to The jamaat for tackling a very small minority of youths and showing them the right way to behave, how can you fault the jamaat for tackling this!!!

    ive seen much worse from other so called muslim sects and their mosques not giving a damn about them or their families.

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  5. Again you are missing the point!! Then again most Ahmadis always do.

    Bwdwka got it. In a bit!

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  6. These gentlemen need their Tarbiyat themselves. Stalking is illegal in UK. This should be reported to Police.

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  7. I can't stop laughing, Raf as noddy and and his african mate shabbi bhatti as pc plod. God he looks like a proper african and you've lightened Rafs face. Findings your sense of humour is second to none. Keep on going. hahahahahaaaa

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  8. Everybody loves Raf, hohohohohohohohoho. especially Findings. yeah we love you too. Especially when you strutt your stuff down at BF coz u think you own it eh. We love seeing your smug mug and the way you suck up to Huzoor. It's all good. Enjoy your days as ameer. Who knows much longer that'll be?

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  9. Finding Wrote:
    ''Paki mafia- I have deleted your comment. You can comment again, minus any threats. I could get in trouble for that and you don't want that now doo you?''

    The majority of UK adminstration, in centre at regional bases were picked up by Rafiq Idiot munafiq on the basis of background- His team is mostly Africian migrant came to UK in 70s from Kenya, Uganda and other trouble parts.

    Pakistan and Indian Ahmedis had less to play here, as UK adminstration had been using the force in Sharia against dedicated Ahmedis by Rafiq Hayat and team on purpose to damage the Jamat. He and most cannot even read urdu and all material translate to them.

    This bunch is active in collecting money only, they do not have value for Quran and religion.
    It is a shame present Rabwah admins did not see the real face of Rafiq.

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  10. @findings 21;39 comment

    well than what are you moaning about

    you are a trained liar, where did you learn that is a separate issue and why should any one believe you that where did the training come from but one thing for sure no body wants LIARS like you in the jummat

    SO pack-up and practice your lies somewhere else
    6 December 2011 09:46

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  11. The leaders in this community promote hypocrisy. They have two faces and fork tongues.
    Image v reality. Both are different despite what they say and promote to the white media world.
    If the people running the organisation are doing this what example do they set their followers?
    The followers can see this and will use it to their advantage. And it goes downhill form there.

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  12. Take this photo of our dad down and leave him alone. If no one else is going to stick up for dad then we'll have to. How dare you call him those names. Who do you think you are? Uncle Shabbir is a GP for God sake and this is the respect you show him. So what if he took his brother to the qazaa board had him and his wife and nephew kicked out. Uncle Shabbir has the 'law' and our dad on his side.
    Findings you are completely misguided, we've asked you nicely, we've told you he's not a well man, have you got no morals?
    You are an immoral women who needs to be dealt with. WE KNOW who your working with don't think that we don't and you think your so smart.
    Anyways my dad doesn't have a yellow and red noddy car he drives a smart black mercedes.
    We think your jealous of him because he has so much power, money and influence over Huzoor. That's why your doing it your JEALOUS.
    Now take this as a warning and baaz aajow. capiche??

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  13. If stalking is illegal in the UK, can you possibly press charges against them?
    It would shatter their stubborn "Desi uncle mentality".

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  14. @anon 10:38 Everyone can see what's happening with Raf even Rabwah officials are confused to why he's still here. Mas is sleeping, until he opens his eyes and ears Raf is going nowhere.

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  15. Come on Hayat. Resign and finish this torture to your self and your family. Please go home. You can't handle truth which is that you are a Munafiq

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  16. Guys do not encourage his resignation..not yet. You have to trust me on this. He has to stay where he is for at least a few more months. Be patient. Allah rewards those who are patient.

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  17. Hayat children. Can you go and whine elsewhere and stop pulling on my heart strings. You are not going to make me 'baaz aajow'.

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  18. Findings put some more stuff about how the rights of innocent children are violated. How dare these things are going on and Police is silent. Please report this all to Police so these idiots can understand that there is a UK Law, which every one has to follow in UK.

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  19. I am told RAF has made ahmadi jamaat various branches as various limited companies like clubs and pubs he excummincate people advertisevthem in thd whole world after socalled forgiveness they are continuoysly treated as excummincated marginlised with stigma of bad gazes their children marriages are prevented by him he and his corrupt aids Join his evil mission of ill treating degrading humilation. I am also told that in their internal meetings african returned especially Kenyians 'Ks' do dring alcohle wines dance and sing

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  20. @findings 21;39 comment

    well than what are you moaning about

    you are a trained liar, where did you learn that is a separate issue and why should any one believe you that where did the training come from but one thing for sure no body wants LIARS like you in the jummat

    SO pack-up and practice your lies somewhere else

    still awaiting reply

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  21. What sort of reply do you want exactly? You made a statement. End of.

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  22. Point of Unity: Muslims and Ahmadis, I think we can both agree that Finding's taste in music is rather bizarre. Noddy? Is that some kinda British thing like saying "innit"?

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  23. Officials in rabwah are all charsis

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  24. @ anon 21;25

    well at-least there not pedophiles as your mullahs

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  25. LOOOOL. Yeah??? I REALLY wouldn't be so sure about that!

    Muahahahaha. ;-)

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  26. Findings questions for you

    Has any one from this idiot admin lot offered you any money to keep quiet?

    Have you got any emails from them begging you to stop?

    Also have you provided all this info to Police and local MP? Remember MP is the only person they are scared off.

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  27. Anonymous said...

    well at-least there not pedophiles as your mullahs

    6 December 2011 22:46
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    Please have a read!!!

    http://ahmedi.org/ahmediorg/eart/K2Allegations/page/1.htm

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  28. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle7 December 2011 at 00:08

    @anon 6th Dec 20:58

    Really??? you call findings a liar but you are stuck on this blog like a chooowah in raffys nuck.

    Are you disputing the autenticity of these docs? Why dont you make a request to the administration to see all communication that has come out of Dr shabeer Batty's office. And while you are at it why dont you ask to see the IT department's accounts since 2006. ehhheehhh uhhummmAnjum. Again it doesn't matter about how findings chooses to display the info, it is the info itself. If you wanna talk about liars why dont we talk about MGAQ...

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  29. Has anyone offered me any money to shut up? Lol no, but I wish they bloody would! There's a recession on its way again! Lol. Jokes! No they haven't. You know why they wouldn't? Because I would only come here and blab about their bribe on the blog! I don't need their dirty money, I earn a good wage myself alhamdulillah. Even if they offered to buy me a brand new car I wouldn't do it- closet Muslims and ex ahmadis are more important to me than that! Allah's reward is more generous than any money in the world! Above all, I would NEVER sell out to the dark side- EVER! So no, they haven't and they wouldn't dare, if they knew what was good for them! So hey Raf, put your cheque book away! You bogging off to no man's land is priceless!

    Shall I sing you a lullaby Raf? LOL! Tossin n turnin'. Shhhhhhh ;) yawn I'm sleepy.

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  30. Can any one put last 20 years ex communicate information by each year. There must be an internal document as they try to keep evil things for a long time. Also their internal discussion and docs on this illegal activity. If that is put on web, than world will know how munafiq they are. Happy face to gora and a cruel face to internal people

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  31. Finding I had a question for you!!

    What effects of these blogs and website had on Jamat Ahmadiyya.
    Would they take these blogs seriously or just a small fireworks.

    If you or your team need to address this then think or ask people for some suggestion for constructive work against the cult of khadhan

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  32. What is common among Zardari and RAF???

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  33. From these blogs it looks that these two kafir Rafiq and Shabir are two new Sharie(law bearing) udday dars in this religion. They made their own religion, which has nothing to do with Islam and even Ahmadiyya.

    Masroor wake up, it alarm is ringing!!!! listen to it, ooooooooh

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  34. Findings how do you earn a good wage and study at uni at the same time?

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  35. Zardari and RAF nathoo and prem singh one abd the same thing both dubious dodgy corrupt manipulators and the best attribute they are LIARS

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  36. Mr Mirza Hafeez (PA to Mr Rafiq Hayat) son is the founder member of this gang and is currently in prison for bank robbery.

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  37. All are corrupt and people around them are corrupt too that's why they donot like those not corrupt

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  38. Anoher boring boring report. Its almost not worth the bother reading now. You keep saying you have lots of scandal but where is it ???

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  39. its not boring you twat, its pioneering and shes doing you losers a favour by trying to warn you that you âre wasting your life in this cult.

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