Thursday, 26 January 2012

The Ahmadi Cult, Excommunications and an Official Admission!


Salaam,
 
I have a little something I would like to share with my readers this evening, particularly with the Muslim and Non-Ahmadi readers, as I am sure this will prove to be an eye opener for many outside of the Ahmadiyya Cult. Although it is no secret that the Ahmadiyya Community uses expulsion / excommunication as a form of punishment against its members, it is often routinely denied by the Ahmadiyya and its members, especially as this blows their boasts of ‘love for all hatred for none’ straight out of the water.

I am presenting an article from Tariq Magazine; an official community magazine, aimed at targeting young Ahmadi men. It is an official community publication and is the mouthpiece of the youth leadership. 

This right here is an admission, if there ever was one: 
Excommunication: A Way to Reformation!
Since time immemorial we have seen in human societies that it has been common practise to call to account members who breach the laws or rules of that society, which are set in order to guarantee its progress, success, and security.
This is necessary in order to guarantee the stability of the system and its smooth flow. We do not find any organisation, society or nation that does not base its establishment on this fundamental principle.
Examples are found in our daily lives i.e. if you run a red light or go over the speed limit you will be punished or if you steal something you will have to face a punishment. Similarly, a referee will use his authority to give you a red card if you foul another player etc hence an “illegal” action is always followed by a reaction in the form of a penalty administered by the higher authority which is responsible for overseeing of that administrative body or system.
So too is the case in the spiritual world. When Satan caused Adam (AS) and Eve to fall into disobedience by deceit and they ate from the forbidden tree, Allah punished them for their unlawful action.
But this did not only happen at the time of Adam (AS) but also with other Prophets. When Moses (AS) retired to Mount Sinai for his forty day communication with God, Samiri misled the children of Israel in his absence. When Moses (AS) returned he seized his brother Aaron (AS) by the beard because he did not successfully prevent the people from worshipping the calf. Samiri was punished with a serious social boycott for having misled the Israelites into calf worship.
Then, when three companions of the Holy Prophet (SAAWS) stayed back in Medina during the Battle of Tabuk and were unable to present any logical and reasonable excuse for their absence the Holy Prophet (SAAWS) punished them with a fifty day boycott from the community of the Muslims. They were not to be spoken to and were ordered to keep away from their wives. After fifty days, the Holy Prophet (SAAWS) announced their forgiveness after the Fajr prayer.
All of these examples have one commonality. The victims were only excluded from their social life, either indefinitely or for a certain period. However, they were not forced to recant their belief and declared as non-believers. The ultimate punishment of being deprived of belief was to be given or is given by God himself in the Hereafter. The only worldly punishment was either a social boycott or a ban.
Every teaching brought by a Prophet had the purpose of strengthening the faith of the believers and forming them into righteous and morally developed people. Anyone who was found guilty of breaking that spiritual and sometimes worldly law had to be punished in order to safeguard the rest of the community from the ill effects of the offenders.
Following the footsteps of former Prophets and our beloved master the Holy Prophet (SAAWS) when a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat is faced with disciplinary action, due to his or her un-Islamic actions, or due to a grave disobedience towards the administrative system which is put in place by the community, they are expelled from the administrative framework of the community as a means of reformation. This decision is taken by the Khalifa of the time, and it is upon his discretion to decide when such firm action must be taken. The purpose is not to publically humiliate anyone, but merely to encourage a sense of remorse and to promote reformation. If a person who is punished repents from his disobedience, the door is always open to such a person.
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a divinely established community, and it is necessary to uphold a high level of morality and adherence to Islamic teachings. For this reason, Promised Messiah has stated countless times in his writings that only those people would be from among my community who practise Islam to the best of their ability and follow the injunctions of the Holy Quran. This is not an un-Islamic practise at all.  Did the Holy Prophet Mohammad (SAAWS) not say that he who does not follow my Sunnah is not from among me? So too, when a member does not meet the high moral standard which is expected of him as prerequisite to be a part of the community, and commits a deed which is in complete contradiction to the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet (SAAWS) despite many warnings, is expelled from the administrative system of the community. The punishment administered to such people is that financial donations are not accepted from them, they are not given offices in the administrative framework of the community and sometimes they are excommunicated. Once again, the only purpose for this is to instil within them a sense of remorse and to encourage sincere repentance. And as already explained, this practise of punishment has been employed by the Prophets throughout history in order to safeguard and preserve the purity of the community of believers.
By Rawah-Uddin Arif, Jamia Ahmadiyya UK.
Tariq Magazine, Page 13, Nov 2011.

And you say this isn't a cult?!?!

I don’t have much time to comment on this tonight but would request that Ahmadi readers please, please, please explain why they (your community) refuse financial donations from the expelled/reprimanded Ahmadi when they collect these donations as ‘charity’ using Gift Aid relief, as a registered charity?? Are registered charities allowed to refuse donations if for example, the donor went to a mixed wedding party or didn’t like a local community decision and as a result, the Khalifa excommunicated them? This compulsory religious taxation (an innovation in Islam) is being collected under the guise of charitable donations but then is also used against the member when their money is refused (as a form of humiliation and punishment). Have a think about this one and get back at me! 

That’s all from me for the rest of this week. I have an important announcement to make about the Blog in the next week or so but in the meantime, check back on Sunday.

67 comments:

  1. A key characteristic of religiou cults is the use of excommunication- for conformity. I must say I am very surprised they put it in writing and admit to it.

    ISLAM IS NOT A CULT QADIANIS!! Wake up and realize this before it is too late.

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  2. And the examples used are completely OUT OF CONTEXT! This is disgusting.

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  3. It's funny you mention Gift Aid. Once we called up a major Islamic charity live on TV and they said they get their wages out of Gift Aid. It's the same case with every Islamic charity in the UK.

    But did you know that Gift Aid is worth nearly £1 BILLION a year to charities and their donors.

    Ching Ching!

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  4. Ahmedis find it practically impossible to determine the differences between Cult, Sects and Denominations. Once they realise and understand the differences God willing they will find Islam. Keep up the good work Mrs Cult Girl you have a hold now keep it there.

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  5. DO THE ISLAMIC CHARITIES FORCE YOU TO PAY?? IS IT COMPULSORY? There is a huge difference between Islamic Charities and CHANDA! What is wrong with you people?? Are you deliberately acting stupid?

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    1. do you know what did Hazrat Abu Bakar with those who refused to pay zkat?and what is the sense of JIZYA?why do non muslims pay that if they are not wilful?

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  6. Findings I would recommend you edit your post and delete your remarks about charity/chanda as they will cling to it for safety. Dont give them room for manoveour. Dont let them budge and worm their way out of this one as this charming Qadiani has shown you.

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  7. There's Ahmadis in my jamaat who do not pay any chanda. They haven't for years. If it was compulsory they would have been chased for money every month,there is no compulsion in religion remember, I'm sure you can't forget.

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    1. Excuse me but I think you are wrong, I heard that you can't get a meeting unless your chanda is up to date and when my brother wanted to get married the local president asked he has to be up to date with his chanda in order for him to get married.
      It is true there is no compulsion in religion than why is it that families have broken ties with their loved ones even to the extent that divorce has occurred.

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    2. So you're saying in order for ones Nikah to be read at an Ahmadi mosque he has to be up to date with his Chanda Aam? Haven't heard of that one before. Is it true?

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    3. That was what we were told, I cannot speak for all the local president off course, but we were told that by him, we wanted to see Huzoor to discuss some private matters and we were told by one of members who works officially with this jamaat that we had to be up to date with the chanda. I know that the person who told us is VERY LOYAL to the jamaat which is good but not to the extent that you make others feel worthless if you are not an active member of this jamaat.

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    4. I'm not sure if above statement is true as everyone would know who your brother is because these kind of matters would not stay silent within a local jamaat. Get my drift?

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  8. Wow...just Wow...

    What we need is more Tolerance and move Forgiveness. Muslims cannot keep shaming and gossiping about people who are fighting their demons. Recognize that some people are going through hardship and need help. Isolation is a

    But ex-communication and public humiliation is an official practice in Ahmadiyya.

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    1. Faran this is not true at all, please be careful, this is not the practise of the Jamaat! demostrate one such case where the jamaat has publicly humilated any member,

      Ahmad

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    2. Anonymous, not only is this in Tariq Magazine, I've seen many many other cases from personal friends I know.

      Public Humiliations ARE part of the Ahmadiyya faith.

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  9. Serious question: If public humiliations are allowed, can Ahmadis publicly humiliate Mirza Masroor?

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    1. I don't think any ahmadis would otherwise they will be sent to the gallows!

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  10. Charming Qadiani? Why thank you sir/madam. Me likes that.

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  11. The system of punishment in the ahmadiya is condemning the human integrity for whole life of the families children even after they are pardoned they are still treated as untoucheables. The marriages of their chilren are often prevented with stigma of ikhraj shame shame on this system of ikhraj or restrictions.

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  12. For more info please visit 'ahmedi.org' and search for 'Germany has leaked'.

    In Europe and UK some brave members took Jamat to court and thru the court orders Mirza Masroor silently with total disgrace withdraw their expulsion.
    Jamat Ahamdiyya used the law firm, WWW.BINDMAN.COM

    Now to the actions of Holy Prophet pbuh, when he excommunicated these people, it is the most soft punishment against their crime during the time of war. It is a STATE matter, not the religious matters.

    When Islam came, it had removed the old Sharia and brought Holy Quran as new LAW, so it is total Qadaini and Khadan tactics to use old religions to impose such punishments. Thus they do not follow QURAN.
    Yes these events mention in QURAN, but at the same time ISLAM is based on 'middle path' and not on extreme.

    Quran says, 'There is no compulsion in religion'.

    Which clearly shows in tarbiyyat maters and matarimonial issue no one can use forceful laws, apart from Khadan, to suppress innocent Ahmedis.

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  13. JAMAT Ahmadiyya do you have these rules in written form some where?

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  14. Shame on Khadan, Mariabis, and uday Dars that they are using HOLY QURAN AND Hazart Mohammed s.w.a.w to justify their actions on EXCOMMUNICATION.

    Which this khadhan has hijacked from CHATOLICS Churches, MORMONS and Hindus and branding it as Islam.
    please visit www.qern.org for details

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  15. BULLCRAP. I know people who have done stuff and their parents names are also mentioned. why mention parents names?

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  16. 'There is no compulsion in religion'.

    Jamia's Kid's article is wrong.

    Can he explain under what law these announcements are said all over the world ? Which Law ???? Where is it written ????

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  17. Findings what's 20% of a milli? What's the matter? Don't want to talk to me anymore?

    Now that we have established you are all Sunni's and follow the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah, what are you going to do about the false teachings being spread all over London? Don't tell me you are going to ignore it? I would have sleepless nights if my local Imam was preaching false duas which even you know are false.

    Farhan if a FALSE funeral prayer is being read for a deceased Muslim, what are the implications of this?

    Holler at me please.

    Jummah Mubarak

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  18. Farhan chooses not to answer questions or publish certain comments. Indeed it's a shame but this website may also be doing the same.

    It's certainly changed my opinion on both websites!

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    1. Totally agree. These guys run away from GENERAL discussion so bad it's embarrassing. I wasn't a staunch Ahmadi at all but after long discussions with Farhan and co one cannot imagine the amount of knowledge and love I have gained for the Ahmadiyya Jamaah. Funny thing is I was never gifted academically,I used to come LAST in class but the Promised Messiah (as)'s writing have ensured me that I will leave the opposition of our jamaat speechless. He was SOOOOO right.

      Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.

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    2. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle27 January 2012 at 21:38

      Lol@last in class
      That comment cracked me up!!! Hang in there buddy!!! You have your way we have ours. But just be sure the road your going down is the right one....

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    3. It's true and I'm not ashamed to say it, like I'm not ashamed to say I'm an Ahmadi Muslim either. I wish you weren't so ashamed about your sect.

      But it's funny how the tables turn, right now I feel like I'm in a class of my own. I'm surprised you're replying to me 3 weeks later Uncle. Go back to our last conversation about charities in the other article, I believe you never responded. We can change the topic to gift aid if you like and I'll show you some taxation calculations. You don't stand a chance in discussion on ANY general topic.

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  19. The ahmadiyya community is not the only religious organisation in the world that collects subscription from its members, or example the Mormon church expects 10% of its working members income and in 2007 it's worldwide assets were valued at over $30 billion USD. This is also not an innovation within Islam as taxation has been current throughout all periods of islam since the beginning, how else are the running costs of the organisation supposed to be met? On hot air? This is the real world cult girl and along with prayer ... Money is required for to run. Also excommunication is not an Ahmadi invention, as te statement reads, that too has been with society for thousands of years. Lastly I welcome your announcement about your blog that you have mentioned. It has not gone unnoticed that you have frequently posted 'fluff' or 'filler' stories in the past few weeks and that many threats you have made have not been followed through with. It's quite clear you are gearing down.

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    1. Totally agree the stories lately are so pointless, He/She will obviously reply as always if you find this blog boring then don't come here. Trust me I won't unless I want to be put to sleep YAWNNNNNNNNNN!!!! So glad to see Ahmadies not putting up with this garbage.

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    2. yes, it is like cult girls advisor has told her to slowly shut it down. something must have happened.

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  20. This is the typical Holier than Thou mentality that is present amongst a lot of Desis.

    If someone is having trouble implementing a certain practice of Islam, or even committing a major sin (including Zinnah or even Homosexuality), Muslims should approach the person with kindness, mercy and love, not just "kick them out", humiliate them, insult them, ostracize them, etc. You've done nothing but fed that person to Shaytaan.

    But this is exactly what Ahmadiyya does. Sad
    So much for "Love for All, Hatred for None"

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    1. Hi Farhan, I'm an devout Ahmadi but I completely agree with your second paragraph

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    2. Farhan, re your bit about homosexuality and zinnah - go and preach this to non Ahmadi Muslims as they are prepared to do far far worse than what the Ahmadis would do. For decades Ahmadis have been campaigning for compassion and understanding, its only now when you non Ahmadis have seen how "rigidness" and literal interpretations and application portrays Islam as a barbaric religion that you are changing your tune.

      Shame on you “lakeer key fakeers” and Hazrat Messiah Maod ke Jay!!!

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    3. Campaigning for compassion?
      How can you be campaigning for compassion when your faith actively ex-communicates people for sinning?

      Do you really think public humiliations is loving them?

      The "Love for All, Hatred for None" line is nothing but religious hypocrisy.

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    4. Farhan this is how you so called muslims

      show kindness, mercy and love to Homosexuals

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/13/iraq-gays-murdered-militiasv

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    5. Actually, those are the shia sect doing that. They also have a twisted view of Mahdi`s coming. Just like you. Anyway. I heard about the rapist ahmadi who was arrested some months ago. Maybe he was trying to be kind :)

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  21. There are so many versions of Islam why do you only call Ahmadis as non Muslims. When Jesus comes down from his ladder to kill the one eyed monster and his fire eating donkey he wont be happy with you.

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    1. Farhan, is there any mention of a ladder re Jesus Christ?

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    2. Farhan, Findings whats your view on Dajaal and the donkey.

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    3. Like I said, never once met a single Ahmadi who knows what Islam says about al-Dajjal. All I hear about are Donkeys and Ladders and Monsters.

      They were taught lies about what we believe. Sad.

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    4. Tell us what you believe then

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    5. Yes please do enlighten us on the Ahlus Sunnah beliefs of the Al-Dajjal?

      And while you're there, can you please find me a description of "the throne" from your Jamaah? I want to compare the Promised Messiah's (as) version on the subject to yours.

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    6. and don`t forget that Jinn are bacteria and/or aliens from outer space. lolz

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  22. I just don't get the blog. It's like you are trying to convince an owner of an S Class Merc that it's better to get rid of it and replace it with an A Class. It's just not going to happen. Your version of Islam is a complete joke.

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    1. Lol. Love it! Nicely said :-)

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    2. Yeah...Masroor would NEVER get rid of his many Merc S-class. Atleast not as long as his sheep keeps paying him chanda

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  23. What a joke of giving these ref from Holy Quran and previous religions regarding excommunication.
    This khadhan expell ordinary Ahmedis to express their chaudry style lordships.
    What an ordinary Ahmedi's, crime which become similar to SIMARI Magician, Battle of Tabuk people who did not attend in Jihad.
    This khadan use this punishment in to divide and rule in ordinary Ahmedi families, and for this they use the Matrimonial cases. Thus husband and wife separate(forget the children-- this khadan do not care for their future), two families divide and because of this closed culture they still try to go back to the cult due to families ties.

    A simple question to writer or an Ahmedi, where the is RULE BOOK !!!!!!!

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  24. lol ahmadiyya have just got a caning!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70kcLvjwSik

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    1. lol thats not a canning this is a caning
      http://www.wluml.org/node/5989

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  25. Mirza Qadianis cult is a a true example of Hate for all and love for none.

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  26. they only excommunnicate not declare them WAJIBUL QATAL or mob lynch them SHAME on you so called MUSLIMS
    (face it and allow it)

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    1. Cults like Mormons and Jehova`s Witnesses don`t mob lynch either.

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    2. even WAJIBUL QATAL is an invention in their Islam. Shame.

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  27. I'm so fortunate to have left the jamat and the clowns that run it. My mission is now to bring my family out inshallah and thn take them to hajj like a proper Muslim inshallah.

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  28. Have you ever assessed or investigated that majority of excommunications or imposition of restrictions on Ahmadis is only motivated by personal vendetta of those office bearers in control who use this weapon on trivial issues for personal scores why shazia bhatti of MTA and 3 other lawyers were penalised just to appease RAF's sinful corrupt egocentric mentally and his partner a former lawyer friend of mian waqas who is a LIAR. Everyone knows they were innocent yet no public apology is made for the humiliation caused to 4 families. There is no justice system in jamaat JIS KI LATHI US KI Buffalo

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  29. Why are you Qadianis hell bent on diverting the topic? Let go of other Islamic Charities and answer her question! WHY DOES YOUR CULT REJECT PAYMENT? IS THIS ALLOWED AS PER THE CHARITY COMMISSIONS GUIDELINES? YES OR NO?

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    1. Why are you hell bent in referring to your own beliefs as diverting topic? And scared of talking about your own charities? Want to talk about Ahlus Sunnah? Go on I dare ya. Their beliefs are straight up GARB.

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  30. If the earning is haraam and the amaal is shaitan then YES

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    1. pahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhhahahaahahahahahahhhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahhahahahahahhah!

      YES? If the earning is haram and the amaal is shaitan they can decline payment? Where in the CC guideline and regulations is this written? Please point us in the right direction?

      Check your desi attitude at the door please!

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    2. typical Gora born with guidelines , tick in the box etc die with guidlines tick in the box dont use your brain what charity is as per ISLAM. GOOF

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  31. that is am Islamic punishment.Ahmadiyya Community do not punish like Taliban or like Extremists.this is totally accord to Islamic jurisprudence.why this is annoying??

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  32. is there any community or an organization that treats you in such a humble way?they the so called Muslims just say a heretic be able to kill..so how they can raise fingers on our system??

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  33. please allow as this is especially for our western cowboy

    anonymous Jan 29, 2012 01:46 PM
    typical Gora guidelines, tick in the box etc
    do you really konw what charity means in ISLAM if yes than you would know HARAAM income is not charitable and if you are such a lover of CC guidelines than there is a box about how to COMPLAIN on an organisation so please do so but dont talk rubbish about ISLAM

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  34. System of punishments in the ahmadiyya are worst than Taliban

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  35. mirza ghulam ahmad did say that jesus did not die and did run to kashmier and lived dear for 87 years and died at the age of 125 years... that's what the ahmadiyya community beliefe :D

    By thia statementhe is telling that the jews, christens and muslims are wrong...and that muslims did adopt the idea of christens about jesus and that he did run to kashmier what a joke he is.

    but if he did run let's say it is true... and the people of israel and the rest of the world start saying that he is not profet but the son of god then how can a 1 of the most important profet sit and relax in kashmier and watch that they are not spreading the message he did spread... ????? Actualy this relevation of mirza qadiani is so wrong it is like profet muhammed did run to holland and through god he did watch that the people in saudie are saying that he is god...lol please can an ahmadi answer my question of why jesus didn't react on the wrong message that christians were spreading and he was alive like u ahmadi's believe and didn't try to save his message religion???

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