Thursday, 23 February 2012

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani: Imposter or Prophet?


 Salaam. This was kindly emailed in from a Muslim brother, and it has been requested that I post this up for the benefit of the questioning Ahmadi, who is in genuine search for the truth. This makes for a really good read, especially if logic and reasoning is your thing! Take the time out to read this...
 
All praise be to Allah lord of all that exists and peace and blessings be on his slave and messenger Muhammed (saw).

The purpose of this article is to try and establish MGA’s claim to Prophethood. We will discuss using the Quran and Saheeh al Bukhari and original texts taken from the Ahmadiyya ‘Al-Islam’ website.    

In an extract taken from the Tajalliyat-e-Ilahiyyah p28  from the Ahmadiyya website MGA says:

“…No law-bearing Prophet can come after him. A Prophet who does not bring a new law can come, but he has to be a follower of the Holy Prophet sa first. On this basis, I am both an Ummati(follower) and a PROPHET. My Prophethood, i.e., my converse with God, is nothing but a reflection of the Prophethood of Muhammad sa. Apart from this my Prophethood is nothing. It is the same Prophethood of Muhammad sa which has manifested itself through me….”
Page 40 of the pdf page 28 of the book

So MGA claimed to be a Nabi, whose “prophethood” was the same Prophethood of the masterpiece of all Prophets’ Muhammed (saw).We will begin with an extract of the Quran which is commonly translated. 

Muhammed is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) The Messenger of  Allah, and the seal of the prophets:  and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Holy Quran (Yousif Ali Translation) 33:40

The Words Khatum-Annabiyeen in Arabic means the end of ALL PROPHETS, Seal of All PROPHETS, Last of ALL PROPHETS and Muhammed (saw) is mentioned by name.  There are numerous Hadith to support the understanding of this verse, but we won’t quote them all here, we will just give you a reference to one, look it up in Saheeh al Bukhari  The Book of the Merits of the Prophet and His Companions  Hadith number 735 (Abu Hurreira).

This immediately throws doubt on Mirza’s claim.  However we will continue to try and establish his claim to Prophethood. (Although this is a MAJJOOOOORRRRR STUMBLING BLOCK and there isn’t really anything that can be said about this in defence without spinning more than Sri Lanka's Murali).

All the Ambiya (Prophets) amongst various other virtues all had a one thing in common, TRUTH.

The Messenger of Allah, Holy Prophet (saws)  was extremely truthful it is narrated In the book on the Ahmadiyya website “The Life and Character of the Seal of Prophets (Volume 1)” written by Mirzā Bashīr Ahmad M.A on  p147 (p171 on pdf)the following is said:
“It is due to such occurrences that Muḥammad saw became renowned as Amīn  among the Makkans. Moreover, as a result of his honesty, he was greatly revered in Makkah and was known as an exceptionally righteous individual who always spoke the truth.”

There really is no great point in going further, because everyone agrees on this issue, even the Ahmadi leadership, that Muhammad (saws) was truthful.
Again I STRESS, when talking of these matters it is very important to stick to original sources therefore I am only quoting from the Quran, Saheeh Al Bukhari  and the Rohaani Khazaain and the books presented on AlIslam, the official website of the Ahmadiyya.
 

THE TRUTHFULNESS OF MGA 

Have a scan over this excerpt from Ruhani Khazain, a book written and published by MGA, the so called Promised Messiah. Here he makes a claim on Saheeh al Bukhari (whats new?!?):



All these 'Mullahs' always go on about this stuff but until I actually saw it on the website I thought it was all stuff they dug out of some old Tachee/Suit case but it is very much true.The 'Mullahs' were not lying or quoting out of context as Masroor and other Ahmadi leaders claim to be the case. The 'Mullahs' were telling the truth!

My Urdu isn’t great but you can see the words “saheeh Bukari” so he wasn’t talking about any baklava or a Bukhri (female goat) it is the respected book of Hadith Saheeh al-Bukhari and “Bukhari mein hein” which translates to “it is in bukhari” and then mentions “Asmaan se uss ke Ieyeh awaz aye gi”, which translates to “there will come a voice from the sky to him” saying “hatha khalifahtuallah al mahdi” which translates in Arabic as “This is The Khaliph of Allah the mahdi” these translations allow you to see the point in simple terms.  NOW this Hadith of the voice coming from the heavens is not mentioned anywhere in Saheeh al Bukhari, so you begin to question MGA’s integrity and then his motives... why was he fabricating Hadith? Why would a Prophet need to fabricate Hadith? This would be a show stopper in the court of British law and if this evidence was found about a witness where he had lied in open testimony his testimony would no longer be accepted.  However let’s say in the modern printing age where Millions of copies of Saheeh al Bukhari exist this Hadith was magically erased by the wet beards of the mullahs, we will continue. Ahmadis would do well to remember this:

Narrated Salama:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire.


Another claim of MGA is that there is reference to Qadian in the Quran! Again, the Ahmadi leadership often throw it back at the 'Mullahs' saying they are 'lying' and he 'never said that', so I went straight to the horses mouth:


Here it reads: “khudah neh quran mein aur rasool neh Hadith mein jo kuch furmiyah tha woh uss(referring to himself in third person) keh aaneh seh pora huwa”. This translates to “whatever Allah and his messenger have said in the Quran and Hadith by him (third person reference) coming it has been completed” in the context this means he has come to complete the prophecies of Islam and is claiming to be the messiah isa (as). Mirza is constructing an argument here and he is establishing himself as an expert and adding weight to this opinion by reminding the audience claims to be.
He carries on until “Yaani mekah aur medina aur qadian ka”. Translates in Urdu as “for example mekah, medina and qadian”. I have highlighted this here so there is no mistake Mirza is talking about Qadian.
“Jo kuch burahain ahmdaiyah mein qadian ke bareh mein kushfi tuwr pur mein neh likha”. This translates in Urdu as  “what ever is written in burahain ahmadiyah about qadian It has been revealed to me and I have written what has been revealed to me”.
So from claiming prophethood, the author Mirza goes on to claim the divinity of his book implying burahain ahmadiyah is revelation that has been revealed to him as wahiy (divine revelation) so he positions himself as an expert in his field i.e. a prophet and then infers his book as the authority manifest so to speak. “kushfi tuwr pur mein neh likha”, “I have written what has been revealed to me” ”yaani ye keh uss ka zhikr quran shareef mein majood hein dur haqeeqat ye baat hein kyuunkeh ye yakeen umr hein”. This translates to in urdu “meaning that it(qadian) is mentioned within the quran and definitely this a true and that is certainly a fact”. By using the word “zhikr” which means mention, citation, recitation in this context along the word “majood” which means to be present. It cannot be argued this is a metaphorical proposition. Unless your name is Graeme Swann.  

Qadian is not mentioned in the Quran. Put simply, this is false. I challenge any Ahmadi out there to prove otherwise but as far as the Ulema is concerned, it is what it is: there is no mention of the word Qadian in the Quran anywhere. Ever. Period. However the argument construction is such that the reader listener feels inclined to accept what is said because it has been done on the authority of their spiritual leader and more importantly on the authority of the Quran and Hadith.

So let’s analyse this claim in logical terms mirza constructs an argument from authority also known as known as appeal to authority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#cite_note-Gensler-1 this being the authority of quran and Hadith to position himself as an equivocal authority.  So no one would dare question him, because if you question this, you are questioning Allah. Arguing from authority is a classic form of argument construction and is fallacious if the factual matter is incorrect as with any fallacy or if the expert is not credible.  Both nullifications have been satisfied here. 

He also uses Circular Reasoning – supporting a premise with the premise rather than a conclusion.  He did this by claiming:

Predicate (A)
“Quran and Hadith’s prophecies have been completed through me appearing.”
I have completed the word of Allah by coming.
Predicate(B)
“I have written what has been revealed to me.”
I only write what Allah reveals to me.
Predicate(C) (THIS FACT IS FALSE) 
“I say Qadian is mentioned in the Quran.”
I am divinely revealing qadian is in the Quran.

A =>B, B =>C, C =>A ,  so if C is false in the factual sense. This destroys the whole chain of premise and invalidates the whole argument.  Not only this argument but all assertions, premises and conclusion he has ever made.  

So Mirza attests with certainty to something that is untrue and he KNOWS THIS. Bomb shell. This GUY INVENTED A LIE ABOUT THE QURAN (GODS WORD) what else is he capable of?  Then you have to ask why? Why would the so called messiah do this?  Can anyone answer why? If it is true, if it is a fact, then what will you say to AL-Mu’Adhib (the Punisher) on the day of judgement?  When hellfire sees you, roaring with rage.  (Q25:12). Your Mirza will not be able to help you then, as you line up behind your false Prophet. Come to the light side and the right side and the safe side before its too late!

Before we conclude I would like to remind you of this Ayaah in the quran

Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against Allah, or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin.
(The Holy Quran, Yunus, 10:17)
 

Links to the al-islam website references have been provided for your convenience you can click on the links and it will take you right to the page(may take some time to load).  Rub your eyes and make sure its YOUR WEBSITE because it is.  And if this magically made to disappear from the wet beards of the mullahs I will not be surprised. 

ALL PRAISE BE TO THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH AND MAY HIS PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE ON THE MASTERPIECE OF ALL PROPHETS, THE FINAL PROPHET, THE SEAL OF ALL PROPHETS SAYEDENAH, HABININAH, Al MUSTAFA MUHAMMED SALLAHU ALIHI WA SALLUM.

90 comments:

  1. Wow

    Glad to see you back, and on the attack. Hope all is well with you. Allah protect you and give you the strength to continue

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  2. Good to see you back Findings! :)

    I have also tried to find any references of Quadian being mentioned in the Quran and I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY REFERENCES OF QUADIAN BEING MENTIONED IN THE QURAN!

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    1. Yep. Credit to the author for pulling this one out.

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  3. Cult Girl! We were all wondering where you had disappeared to! It's always exciting to see new posts from you!Very insightful post; but Qadianyanis have one thing in common: proof or no proof, he is the Messiah and Allah will judge them accordingly if they are wrong. That's it. The gamble they are willing to take. Nice piece and keep it greased you don't need to give up. This is your platform. btw what happened with the greasy ameer? head in the sand? lol.

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    1. yep head in the sand..but that was to be expected and is the result I was after. alhamdulillah.

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    2. I've been around but just a bit busy at work. Haven't been able to dedicate much time.

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    3. You had time to go on the Cult Forum, what's the matter getting a bit hot for you!!!!

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  4. Another challenge to Qadianis: Bring the 2 Hadiths where Mirza alleges that 1) Qadian is mentioned in the Quran and 2) voice from heavens ...BRING FORTH THE PROOF! Add that to your homework: 14th Century Messiah etc.

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    1. LOL. "out of context" is what they will say and "why should we respond on an anti ahmadiyya site anyway we are better than that".

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  5. this aint finding,
    finding is nailed

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    1. You Qadianis have an inherent inability to read! If you note she did say "someone emailed this in to me". And also if they have nailed her, why doesn't anyone know about it, including the mystery woman herself?! I tell you what, why don't YOU NAIL the points in this writ? Go and find the two authentic hadiths. You people are pathetic. They haven't nailed her because the cult world know about it. Grow up.

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    2. Will the real findings please stand up, the real Findings wont come here again now just fakers trying to keep their evil filth going

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  6. Salam
    I am a muslim and there is only one thing that troubles me.
    if Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi is one of the false prophets that we were warned about why would Allah still let Ahmadiyyat exist?
    Surely the false prophets would never be granted any form of success. Yet the Ahmadi community still remains and its followers still adamant its the right path.
    If anyone could explain a reason for this? I am not an Ahmadi but i do have ahmadi friends and they always point this out to me. So i would like a general islamic interpretation of this.
    JazakAllah

    You sister in Islam :-)

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    1. Life is a test and many a times transgressors are given freedom to live lavishly. The Pharaohs claimed to be gods and they lived generation after generation till Hazrat Musa came. Paul innovated a new religion and claimed Jesus to be son of God and his followers are still the largest religion in the world.

      There are numerous false religions that are older than Qadianiat and they exist - similarly Qadianiat exists.

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    2. @Anon feb 23, 3:56
      "Surely the false prophets would never be granted any form of success. Yet the Ahmadi community still remains and its followers still adamant its the right path."

      -Surah an-Nahl, verse 62
      "...And if Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoing, He would not leave on the earth a living creature. But he gives them respite till an appointed term, but when their term is come, they cannot remain behind a single hour, nor can they go ahead of it."

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  7. Mirza Ghulam did a great crime against my people. This is not e-z..... the whole leaving ahmadiyyat biz..... pray for us..... something must be done in front of K-5 to show just how false he is............so that ahmmadiyyat ends instantly..

    I know this is not easy to swallow, that our ancestors died on a non-truth.... and that all that hard work, blood, sweat, tears was for a wrong cause. Allah blesses though whom he pleases...

    It is up to us living Ahmadis..... to decide whether it is God we love more or ourselves.... not ez...... And I love all my fellow Ahmadis as people, i just despise the ideology because it is falsehood. :(

    Muhammad SAW was the final and last Prophet and Isa bin Maryam AS is the messiah (QURAN SAYS).

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    1. Muhammad SAW was the final and last Prophet and Isa bin Maryam AS is the messiah (QURAN SAYS).
      My dear this statement which you have given from your own interpretation cant be right so if MUHAMMAD SAW is last prophet the MESSIAH who has to come and will be prophet(for a minute leave alone the issue of who it will be even if it is ISA BIN MARYAM he will be in this world physically after MUHAMMAD SAW how would you explain that what difference would it make if he was born before or after MUHAMMAD SAW

      Use a bit of common sense why would you think that MUHHAMAD SAW is the best and final because by birth he was the last ?????? NO its not so MUHHAMAD SAW is the best and final there is no doubt what so ever not because he was last by birth but because he was complete in all aspect bringing the final shariah and no one dare come as a prophet after him outside his sharaih, which would be if ISA IBN MARYAM was to descend on the wings of angels? how can you accept that?

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    2. So that was the reason that Mirza Sb got pregnant and gave birth to himself to claim to be Eisa ibn e Maryam?

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    3. GOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
      Alas If I could buy you some sense you would understand what it means probably not, even than it wont help
      because you are
      deaf dumb and blind

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    4. Buy some sense to understand how to get pregnant and give birth to yourself?

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  8. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle24 February 2012 at 23:02

    Where Are the Ahmadi responses? Where is new Sunni convert and his mates? PROVE THIS IS WRONG IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!!!! Where is Qadian in the Quran ul Kareem?????!! Where is that HADITH in BUKHARI???? Those are YOUR BOOKS written by YOUR PROPHET!!! If someone brought me such damning evidence against my local MP I would rally to have him sacked, but This is your PROPHET!!!! wake up before it is too late!

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  9. @"So that was the reason that Mirza Sb got pregnant and gave birth to himself to claim to be Eisa ibn e Maryam?"

    Its even worse than that, he also felt God himself

    “In a vision I saw that I myself was God and believed myself to be such. I felt that I had no will or thought or action of my own left, and that I had become like something which is being completely overpowered by something else that had absorbed me wholly so that my own being had completely disappeared.

    I saw the divine spirit envelop my soul and covering my body hide me completely in itself so that not a particle of me remained.

    I beheld myself as if all my limbs had become His, my eye had become His eye, my ears had become His ears and my tongue had become His tongue.

    My Lord seized me with such great force that I disappeared in Him and I felt that His Power was surging in me and that His divinity was coursing through me.

    The Lord of honour had set His camp all around my heart and the Lord of power ground down my soul so that there was no more of me nor any desire of mine left. My whole structure was demolished and only the structure of the Lord of the universe remained visible.

    The Divine overcame me with such force that I was drawn to Him from the hair of my head to the nails of my toes.

    Then I became all spirit which had no body and became an oil which had no dregs.

    I was separated completely from my ego and I became like something which was not visible or like a drop which had become merged in the ocean so that the ocean com­prehended it in its vastness. I no longer knew what I had been before nor what my being was.

    Divinity coursed through my veins and muscles. I was completely lost to myself and God Almighty employed all my limbs for His purpose and took possession of me with such force that nothing could exceed it. By this seizure I became non-existent.

    I believed that my limbs had become God’s limbs and I imagined that I had discarded my own being and had departed from my own existence, and that no associate or claimant had remained as an obstruction.

    God Almighty entered wholly into my being and my anger and my gentleness, my bitterness and my sweetness and my move­ment and my inertness all became His. In this condition I said: I desire a new universe, a new heaven and a new earth.

    I then created the heaven and the earth in a mass without order or distinction and then according to the divine will I arranged and classified this mass.

    I felt that I had the power to create it.

    Then I created the lower heaven and said: We have decorated the lower heaven with lamps.

    Then I said: We shall now create man from the essence of clay. Then my condition moved from vision towards the reception of revelation and my tongue uttered: I determined to make a vicegerent and created Adam.

    Then we created man in the best mould”.

    (Kitabul-Bariyya pp. 78-79).
    (Tadhkirah pp. 118-120).

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    1. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle25 February 2012 at 14:15

      Wow that is powerful!!! The guy was really one of the dajaleen!!! Is that on the website? Or do you have a link to the text?

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    2. its there at the end or google the first line of the quote or this (Kitabul-Bariyya pp. 78-79).
      (Tadhkirah pp. 118-120).

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  10. A Shezan a day, keeps the Mullah CULT away!

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    1. Does Shezan have the formula Mirza Sb used to cure his grave impotence?

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    2. Shezan a day certainly keeps the 'Mullahs' of the Qadiani Cult away! Do you remember when their family pictures were exposed and your Cult Leader did nothing about it? Money Talks.... KERCHING!

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    3. Did nothing? Lots of peeps were ex communicated. I haven't heard of 'dancing' at an Ahmadi Muslim wedding since.

      So it was a good move in my eyes. We need to be taught a lesson every now and then so we can ALL learn.

      So why do u wish to 'boycott' Ahmadi products? What will YOU gain out of this? It's funny they try to do the same in UK in the midlands. It's a shame the wives of the Mullahs don't give a flying toss.

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    4. Yep money talks, so if 24 or however many Ahmadis were ex communicated that's 24 x chanda aam, jalsa salana etc.. That's a whole lot of ching ching being missed out on.

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    5. Yes, it is not very logical to boycott Shezan products. I was just wondering if they were using same formula that Mirza Sb used to cure his grave impotence. Have you read the details from authentic sources?

      http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com/moralvalues

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  11. Its precisely this kind of narrow minded hyperliteralistic decontextualised nonsense that gets many normal Ahmadi Muslims back up and why they won't be coming to the dark side anytime soon. The first example where Qadian is mentioned in the Quran is clearly a vision. Why not get your mate to translate the page before the page he wants and the page after instead of hyper selective quoting to suit his own ends.

    In the second example re the Hadith in Bukhari the Promised Messiah AS is merely using a rhetorical device (try looking up metonymy thickos) to explain how the descending of the Messiah from the sky is parallel to his majesty and and honour being granted to him as if a voice from the heavens has pronounced him. Please try not strain your hyperliteralist decontextualised mind by God forbid actually having to think about autorial intent. Please look up rhetorical devices in language. I suppose its difficult to expect too much from people who are expecting their Messiah to fly down a la Superman and battle a one eyed monster- something which didn't even happen at the time of the greatest Prophet Muhammad PBUH or ANY other prophet will happen now Honest. Thickos

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    1. LOL so he was metaphorically saying it was in the Quran and Bukhari?? Wowzers. Qadianis really are the followers of the religion of metaphors. By the way you cannot be an Ahmadi and a Muslim at the same time. You are either and Ahmadi or a Muslim. And you call the Ummah the 'dark side'?? Wowzers.

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    2. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle25 February 2012 at 19:59

      LOL@ rhetorical device
      How can you claim that this is rhetorical when he cites a NON EXISTANT Hadith from Bukhari LOL LOL LOL does his rhetorically citing Islamic literature that doesn't exist satisify your criteria for divinely inspired revelation????? That's a new one!!! The point doesn't even reach as far as your "rhetorical device" because the Hadith doesn't exist! Now why don't you translate the passages into urdu and give us a breakdown of the metonymical viewpoint. Thanks for the chuckles, your bleating out your robotic responses trying to confuse people with you irrelevant technical terms is quite amusing ;)

      And as far as "crazy" miracles go why don't you look up the battle of badr where Angels where sent to help the Muslims

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    3. you are just showing off that you know big English words but that really is not the issue here. like the quote above mga felt he was God ? tell me another "prophet" who remotely even ever mentioned imagining that ? They ALL bowed to his greatness glory and omnipotence, none ever said they dreamt creating ANYTHING

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    4. QUOTE"I suppose its difficult to expect too much from people who are expecting their Messiah to fly down a la Superman"UNQUOTE

      Looks like you find the idea quite stupid. You must not be aware of the fact that for more part of his life Mirza Sb believed the same that you find stupid now. Poor stupid!!!

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    5. I didn't say that, nice diversion, try hard not construct strawman arguments thicko and stay on topic

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  12. Fun though its is to bait thickos on this board with very little understanding of the richness of the arabic/urdu language my time could me more usefully spent watching paint dry. Here goes again. Yes shock horror the Quran and Hadith often use metaphor. Try this

    hey will ask thee of Dhu’l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road till, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout: We said: O Dhu’l Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his Lord, who will punish him with awful punishment! But as for him who believeth and doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a mild command. Then he followed a road till, when he reached the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. So (it was). And We knew all concerning him." (Surah 18.84-92)


    Now are you going to tell me that the Quran is saying the sun really set in a muddy puddle or is this a metaphor?? Come on thickos. You see you want to have it both ways when you want to be hyper literalist when analysing an Ahmadi Muslim argument (By the way I will call myself an Ahmadi Muslim, you can call me whatever, like I care) its all good, when you want metaphor like above you flip flop like a fish out of water. Even the most ardent funda literalist like yourselves will admit breaking the cross and killing the swine is not literal.

    Just to answer a few more thicko queries, BTW did you do your homework and look up rhetorical devices such as metonymy or were you looking up at the sky waiting for Superman??

    HMGA AS is referring to the Hadith from Bukhari speaking of the descent of Isa AS from the sky as a voice from the heavens so the hadith are right there to read. His target audience weren't as thick as you and understood his import. Regarding the first issue as I already said he saw Qadian written in the Quran as a vision and he spoke of that.

    Pls don't make me do this again its tiresome

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    1. What an arrogant person you are!

      What gives you the right to call us thickos, there is no compulsion in religion. I choose not to believe HMGA as a prophet or anything else, it seems to me that his version of Islam has been totally distorted and now I am questioning the whole religion itself thanks to him and this Ahmadiyyat.

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    2. Please take a look at the kind of language that is used on ths blog towards someone I consider a Khalifa of Isla

      Please take a look at the kind of language that is used against someone I consider a Prophet of Islam

      And you are getting upset because I called y'all thickos.

      Please please please tell me you are NOT serious and are joking.

      I didnt say there was compulsion in religion another strawman, believe whatever you like. Arrogance is posting superficial rubbish without even a basic attempt of deeper understanding and looking at authorial intent. I am just an ordinary Ahmadi Muslim and I can see past the charade of nonsense put up here no different to Christian sites attacking the integrity Of Prophet Muhammad PBUH based on one line quotes from Quran and hadith. Go to sites like answering islam and there will be an air of familiarity about it compared with this and similar sites. But whatever like the guy below said banging your head against a brick wall. (that is a metaphor BTW)

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    3. So Allah showed Messy Mood (Masih Maud) AKA Mirza Ghulam the one who died of non stop pooing in a vision something that does not exist in the Quran i.e. Qadian????

      LOL cult members would come out with the most absurd things in order to defend Mr Messy Mood

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    4. And anon 11:59 was upset I called y'all thickos. ROFL

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    5. Yes Ahmadiyya is a religion of metaphor. Mirza Ghulam was metaphorically Esa Ibn Maryam - all his opponents are metaphorically bastards (including his two sons). He married and already married woman in a metaphor --- there is not a single belief in Ahmadiyya which is not a metaphor. Do you know Masroor is metaphorically ----

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    6. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle27 February 2012 at 21:45

      @ the Hadith is right there to read

      What Hadith are you talking about here? Please can you give a reference to the Hadith that your prophet is rhetorical talking about. We are "thickos" so please don't include any of your irrelevant linguistic terms and just explain in simple englsih

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    7. You can't possibly be that thick I wrote it above just scroll up and have a look. I hope you are not being facetious as that will get you a spell on the naughty step.

      Ok Mowgli time for your class. Again homework is a must (although it may go over your head). The irrelevant lingusitic terms that you can't understand are the same ones that are use in abundance in the Holy Quran which is what makes its literary style so unique. Please go and read:

      http://www.theinimitablequran.com/uniquelitform.pdf

      Here is a list of rhetorical devices used in the Quran:
      Analogy (For example see Qur’an 88:15–16 & 93:9-10)
       Alliteration (For example see Qur’an 33:71 & 77:20)
       Antiphrasis (For example see Qur’an 44:49)
       Antithesis (For example see Qur’an 35:7 & 9:82)
       Asyndeton (For example see Qur’an 13:2)
       Assonance (For example see Qur’an 88:25-26 & 88:14-15)
       Cadence - This is present in the whole Qur’an, it is a major rhetorical feature which is an inimitable
      feature of the Quran. The Quranic discourse uses assonance to deliver all the rhetorical features while
      employing the use of many phonetic features such as assimilation, nasalisation, etc. No other text has
      done this before, especially in such frequency.
       Chiasmus (See for example Qur’an 3:27)
       Epizeuxis (See for example Qur’an 94:5-6)
       Equivoque (See for example Qur’an 24:43)
       Homonymy (See for example Qur’an 2:14-15 & 3:54)
       Hyperbole (See for example Qur’an 7:40, 33:10 & 39:71-72)
       Isocolon (See for example 65:7-10)
       Metaphor (See for example 19:4 & 21:18)
       Metonymy (See for example 54:13 & 6:127)
       Parenthesis (See for example Qur’an 7:42 & 4:73)
       Polypton (See for example Qur’an 80:25-26)
       Rhetorical Questions (See for example Qur’an 55:60 & 37:91-92)
       Stress (See for example Qur’an 29:62 & 3:92)
       Synedoche (See for example Q:90:12-13)

      and if you look carefully you will see metonymy, you see it is in the Quran as well. Boy you guys are thick but what can I expect from Funda literalists Ha Ha

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    8. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle28 February 2012 at 14:25

      Perhaps you didn't understand my question. It is very simple. What is mirza rhetorically referring to? Hadith qudsi 25? That talks about the descending of isa as ... How can a "voice from the heavens " rhetorically refer to that? and Mirza by the linguistic make up of the URDU does not infer such is the case. You're completely diverting what he is actually saying to make it sound plausible, you cannot compare the Quran to rohaani Kazaain as its language is perfect where as Kazaain is not if what you are saying about metonymy mirza uses is true..... Why does mirza use Arabic to explain this is the "khalif of Allah al Mahdi"? Stop diverting and answer the question properly and stop bringing irrelevant facts to back up your pathetic excuse! This is not about the Quran it is about Kazaain bring the exact Hadith that mirza is mentioning!

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    9. Yes I did thicko I was baiting you. You new perfectly well which Hadith is being referred to yet you still asked like a dumbo. If you look at the metaphors and allegory in the Quran you can go ahead and ask more dumb questions like " How can that refer to this"" Blah blah etc funda literal nonsense. Any plain reading of the text clearly shows the rhetorical nature of what he is saying. Anyhow for someone who doesn't understand rhetorical devices and calls them irrelevant I am expecting too much. When I point out there are numerous examples in the Quran you start blowing hot air and constructing strawmen. When did I compare Roohani Khazain to the Quran thicko. And then to top of your thickness the best you can do is say why does he switch to Arabic. It is for emphasis you numpty. I suppose you never say inshallah or subhanallah, you always say the english yeah yeah. Thicko

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    10. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle3 March 2012 at 16:36

      still no reference... if you are referring to hadith qudsi 25 it makes NO SENSE. If you stopped flapping around you would see this is a FALSE REFERENCE. LOL@Baiting me. Can you read urdu? I would love to see your analysis of the text :) also if mirza used arabic for emphasis the way the arabic is placed in the text would imply a reference or an excerpt from the actual hadith. You are clutching at straws THERE IS NO SUCH HADITH IN BUKHARI. IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL BRING THE HADITH!!!!

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  13. AnonymousFeb 25, 2012 02:37 PM
    It is of no use these are the group of people who are unfortunately have there heart sealed , Now they are not only Munkireen but are blasphemous there is no point in "banging your head against the wall" , or I SHOULD NOT USE THIS THEY SURE WOULD BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE BANGING YOU HEAD ON THE WALL PHYSICALLY
    and it would be very difficult to make them understand what that means

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    1. i am sure you never read rohani khazayn seriously. also you never tried to research on ahmdiyat just blindly following them.

      why dont you watch mta instead of reading this blog.

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  14. Back again to waste time but someone has to take the class. Oh yeah the old "I saw Allah in my dream" blasphemy canard. Could you guys please stop recycling the same rubbish. Both on this tabloid blog and over on the pathetic cult blog/forum you wait a few weeks then recycle the same rubbish again and again. Ok lets go through it one last time. This time pay attention and DO YOUR HOMEWORK. I CANNOT DRILL A HOLE IN YOUR HEAD TO EXPLAIN THINGS.

    Anyhow first off it is NOT blasphemous to see Allah in a dream

    see: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?ID=6259&CATE=24

    I will quote a little bit but please please read the whole thing:

    Imam al-Bajuri (Allah have mercy on him) has mentioned some additional notes regarding the vision of Allah in sleep in his commentary of Jawhara al-Tahid.

    He states that, if one sees Allah in a manner that is not impossible for Allah, then one has surely seen Him. However, if one sees Him in a form that is impossible for Him such as seeing Him in a form of a specific individual, then that is not Allah rather it is the creation of Allah, and the dream will need to be interpreted by those qualified to do so. Some scholars said that even in such a case, one did actually see Allah, but the form seen is not the reality of Allah; rather, it is reflecting the mind of the one having the vision. (Tuhfat al-Murid Sharh Jawhara al-Tawhid, P: 118)

    Right moving immediately on. More homework first children. Please read up on Ibn Arabis Cosmological and anthropological union with Allah/God.

    Next please read :

    http://www.jerrahi.org/en/library/articles/dying_dying

    This is a great article for those who want a better understand of spiritual evolution/union with Allah. I will present a small quote

    Allah, speaking through His Prophet, said:

    la yazalul‑‘abdi yataqarraba ilayya bi‑nawafili hatta ahabbahu fa‑idha ahbabtuhu kuntu lahu sami’an wa basaran wa yadan ....

    “My servant comes close to me with the worship of good works until I love him, and when I love him, I become the hearing in his ears, I become the sight in his eyes, I become the words on his tongue, I become the hands with which he holds, I become the strength of all the part of his being.”

    With these divine words the Messenger of Allah indicates that the one who dies before dying realizes his whole being as Allah’s being and sees no difference between himself and Allah, between his attributes and Allah’s, nor does he see any necessity for, nor possibility of any change in his state. For if his being were not already Allah, he could not even know himself.

    Need I say More Thickos

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  15. Thumbs up to above comment.

    The only thing I would give props to you is for trying, you've invested your whole life for this. I hope you realise your mistake one day before it's way too late.

    insh'Allah.

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    1. Thumbs up to you as well whoever you are. Props for your honest comment. you too have invested your whole life for this. i hope you realise YOUR mistake one day before it is way too late.

      Inshallah :-)

      (I personally think if you are sincere in what you belive and are a good person then you have nothing to fear)

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    2. I only hope you soon realise that Qadianism is Kufur before it's too late.

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    3. I only hope you realise the Messiah AS has arrived and is awaiting your allegiance before it's too late. If not I hope through your sincerity and goodness of heart Allah shower his blessings and mercy upon you in this world and the hereafter

      Inshallah

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  16. I will only say look at the the people who stood against ahmmadiyyat

    Fear that before it is to late

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  17. @AnonymousFeb 26, 2012 12:02 PM

    I only fear Allah. Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.

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    1. If you would have feared Allah you have left that imposter.

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    2. The fact you say Ahmadiyyat Zindabad... LOOOL...Cult chanting! Mirza Ghulam Ki JAI HO! loool.

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    3. Compare this 'chanting' to YOUR MULLAHS and Sunni extremists chanting Allah Ho Akbar whilst slitting the throats of Kuffar. JazakAllah for reciting Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani Ki Jai Ho.

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  18. Nice article.

    Jazakallah khair.

    Nice to see you back

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  19. I have a question all of you why every one is posting anonymously even followers of ahmadiyat are not showing their names. And still you think this is Ilahi Jamat where no one has courage to ask freely.

    _T.D

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    1. Even your founder Shahid writes anonymously as some kind of ansari "mowghlis" uncle and if it isn't him then I doubt it's Akber C or AK Shaikh. Who else could it be? Hmmmm

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  20. Says the person who write anonymous initials. Who cares about names, worry about you failing to accept the Imam of the age.

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    1. I was more extremist than you are but after extensive research I concluded I am in a cult. I believe it does not matter I am right or wrong the point is I did my best to find right path. Dont follow blindly atleast do your best to understand cult girl findings.

      By the way there is no single word of Mirza Saab about khilafat so its ok if you dont accept the Imam of the age still you would be follower of Mirza Saab.
      _T.D

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    2. Extremism of any sort is wrong and can lead to one finding the wrong path, maybe that's your downfall. I am far from extremist, if only you knew.

      However after extensive research and long discussions with people who have dedicated their lives to refute the Promised Messiah (as)'s claims I can conclude that I am better of as an Ahmadi Muslim.

      There is now way you can try and refute Ahmadiyyat from 124,657 angles and still not be able to convince us it is false. Just one allegation should be enough to prove something false.

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    3. Do you think Abu Jahal did not accept Islam because he was not convinced of Prophethood of Holy Prophet?

      Do you know Mirza wanted to marry and already married woman and use to hug her and see her naked in his dreams - and then he published these filthy dreams he saw about an already married woman.

      Mirza claimed he will marry her in any case - and he died with that desire in his heart.

      Have you any doubts about what I have wrote above?

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  21. Jo Khuda ka ho , us ko lalkarna acha nahin
    Hath sheroon pe na daal , ai rooba e zaro nazar
    Please accept Ahmadiyyat and join Imam Mehdi,s mission to establish The Truth Of Muhammad Rasool Allah (S.A.W) in the whole world.

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    1. I find it easier to post anonymously. No need to select an option on the drop down menu when using a handheld phone. For the record my name is Mushtaq Cheema and I am a firm fan of Cult Girl. This is the revolution against the Cult of the Clown of Qadian. Cult Girl Vs Clown of Qadian Followers. Very enjoyable and best of all it is wonderful to see one young woman have the cult in a frenzy after only a few months. Viva Cult Girl.

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    2. Viva Cult Girl.

      and so say I

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  22. Mr 'Accept Imam of the Age Before its Too late'...

    Will I die a non Muslim if I do not accept MGA your so called Imam Mahdi? A disbeliever? A Kafir? Will nearly 1.4 billion die as disbelievers for not doing Bait at his hands? Because according to your 'Ummati Nabi' you are still a Muslim/Believer/Momin if you don't accept him. He is a world's first Rejectable Prophet! Now guess what? In the Quran there is a significant Ayaah in which the Almighty Allah tells us that rejecting Prophets is disbelieving in Allah and thus renders one a Kafir. But Mirza Mother of Jesus, the religious worlds answer to Superman being a TEN IN ONE Prophet: Krishna and Funky Buddha: apparently,can either be accepted or rejected!!!!!! The choice is yours! So tell me, to be a Muslim, if I don't need MGA then what's all the fuss about? I will still die a Muslim regardless of whether or not I accept him! So when I die, I haven't missed out on anything, and will still be questioned as a Muslim. So why do you insist on ramming this jackernory down our throats? For me, my Rasool and my Nabi and my Leader Muhammad SAAWS is enough and will suffice!

    I'm better off that way and do you know why? Because

    A) Your 'Prophet' said it was OK to do so.

    B) I'd rather be a member of the Ummah than outlawed/outcast pathetic nobodies who are banned from Hajj because its better than being in your Jamaat. I'd rather be a mainstream Sunni than a outlawed minority Qadiani. Its better with the Masses. Also, do you know, my Leader Muhammad SAAWS said once not to stray from the majority? Enough said.

    C) I am better off not falling foul of what my wonderful Leader Muhammad SAAWS warned me about and that was about the 30 liars that will arise from his Ummah..just INCASE he was a fake claimant (I know he is a fake but you know what I mean). I'm safer this way because either way, I die a Muslim. Better not chance it. You know what I mean? What if he is a fake claimant? Then what!! What am I going to say in front of Allah? I am safer not accepting him and better off rejecting him... he said it was OK to do so anyways!

    So whats the problem here? When YOUR PROPHET said its OK to reject him, why are you here telling people to accept before its 'too late'. your Prophet said its OK anyways! Whereas MY PROPHET SAAWS has warned YOU of what will happen if you reject him/Allah's word etc. By saying 'before its too late', what do you mean? What is the punishment for not accepting/denying/rejecting him? Go on... tell me..because YOUR Profit said no problemo, you are still Muslim if you don't accept me. So what? Are you gonna issue a Fatwa on it because even your Profit said it was OK!!! Whats going to happen?????? Who are you trying to scare:?? The Ahmadis kids out there reading??

    MY PROPHET WINS EVERYTIME!!! I am safer with him SAAWS and him SAAWS alone! Why chance a good thing when everything is stacked up against your Profit? Why chance it when I am still gonna die a Muslim according to your own Profit?

    Oh and by the way, don't you dare tell me its about following the Sunnah of the Prophet SAAWs in accepting that man!! Because its NOT SUNNAH...

    END OF. Stop with your crap on MY BLOG! Do not post this kind of rubbish without explaining the techs behind what your Ummati Nabi said was OK and what was not OK!

    That goes for every Ahmadi out there. And for the people jumping up and down claiming I have been caught... LOL...you might want to inform YOUR JAMAAT! Because according to My Uncles RAF AND NAS, they are none the wiser ;) I am on the inside. Do NOT forget that....

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    1. A lot of people know exactly who you are and the word is out and the fact that the jamaat hasn't taken any action against you shows how insignificant you really are in the community. You are doing nothing but ruining your own hereafter. Fear God.

      You really aren't on the inside or in the 'dafter' as you claim to be. Maybe this has something to do with being bipolar.

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    2. You really are pathetic. If people know who she is bring the proof.

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    3. Why does anyone need to 'bring' anything to you, be it proof? Who are you? You really are pathetic for thinking you are somebody.

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    4. Are you stupid? If people know who she is why are they holding it back? Empty threats!!!!

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    5. Not paranoid are you by any chance? No news is good news. If someone did know something would they really come here and share this info with YOU? Are you stupid?

      Can you show me what 'empty threats' you are referring to?

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    6. theoretically ahmadies can easyly trace cultgirl this puzzle can be solve in seconds. God knows everything and as ahmadies believe khalifa has special contacts with God I cant understand why dont he use his special power to ask God who is cult girl.

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    7. No one is paranoid. They have nothing on me. Not to say they won't eventually but for now, All praise to Allah, he has kept me out of their reach. Let them bring the proof but until then, people can throw as many names as they can about! Did you hear about the NM story? I suggest you read up on it....

      He doesnt have a special contact with Allah but does have one with the Shaytan. Mas the Monster...

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    8. If I was the head of a worldwide religious movement and found out who my internet haters were I would just pray for the individuals. I wouldn't need to 'bring proof' if I am not going to accuse. And to not accuse anyone would let them know exactly how much of an impact they have on me. Zilch.

      All praise to Allah, not just now but forever.

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  23. And can I add for the man questioning via email why the writer refused to be named because it was 'rationalist' or 'farhan' writing differently...rubbish. The author does not want any credit for this post. It is for the sake of Allah they chose to write this and often with credit comes pride and they don't want that. And yes he has the credit, for the many insults. What is wrong with you people. Seriously messed up.

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    1. And Qadi Cult leaders... don't think because I have gone quiet that I am not working loudly behind the scenes. ;P

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    2. " I am safer not accepting him and better off rejecting him... he said it was OK to do so anyways!"

      Are you ignoring the fact that the Holy Prophet of Islam (saw) said "that convey my Salam to the Promised Messiah (as) even if you have to kneel on icy mountains, do so" ?

      Talking about being banned for Hajj, have you read your Islamic history properly? There you will find out that the Holy Prophet (saw) and his followers were the first ones to be banned from performing Hajj. The Muslims of that time could have safely said we would rather be with the majority as the Muslims are banned from Hajj anyway.

      You can choose the path you like, everyone of us is answerable to God for our own deeds so make sure that the day you die you have good things to say for yourself rather than bad things you say about others. (which is plastered all over this blog btw)

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    3. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle29 February 2012 at 06:52

      Isa (as) will announce talbiyah for hajj and or umrah in the valley of rawha. (Sahih Muslim). And the prophet (saw) performed hajj why didn't mirza get to rawha? Why didn't mirza go to the house of Allah?

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  24. This aint findings
    where are you dear we are missing you badly

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  25. Mr 'Accept Imam of the Age Before its Too late'...

    Will I die a non Muslim if I do not accept MGA your so called Imam Mahdi? A disbeliever? A Kafir? Will nearly 1.4 billion die as disbelievers for not doing Bait at his hands? Because according to your 'Ummati Nabi' you are still a Muslim/Believer/Momin if you don't accept him. He is a world's first Rejectable Prophet! Now guess what? In the Quran there is a significant Ayaah in which the Almighty Allah tells us that rejecting Prophets is disbelieving in Allah and thus renders one a Kafir. But Mirza Mother of Jesus, the religious worlds answer to Superman being a TEN IN ONE Prophet: Krishna and Funky Buddha: apparently,can either be accepted or rejected!!!!!! The choice is yours! So tell me, to be a Muslim, if I don't need MGA then what's all the fuss about? I will still die a Muslim regardless of whether or not I accept him! So when I die, I haven't missed out on anything, and will still be questioned as a Muslim. So why do you insist on ramming this jackernory down our throats? For me, my Rasool and my Nabi and my Leader Muhammad SAAWS is enough and will suffice!

    I'm better off that way and do you know why? Because

    A) Your 'Prophet' said it was OK to do so.

    B) I'd rather be a member of the Ummah than outlawed/outcast pathetic nobodies who are banned from Hajj because its better than being in your Jamaat. I'd rather be a mainstream Sunni than a outlawed minority Qadiani. Its better with the Masses. Also, do you know, my Leader Muhammad SAAWS said once not to stray from the majority? Enough said.

    C) I am better off not falling foul of what my wonderful Leader Muhammad SAAWS warned me about and that was about the 30 liars that will arise from his Ummah..just INCASE he was a fake claimant (I know he is a fake but you know what I mean). I'm safer this way because either way, I die a Muslim. Better not chance it. You know what I mean? What if he is a fake claimant? Then what!! What am I going to say in front of Allah? I am safer not accepting him and better off rejecting him... he said it was OK to do so anyways!

    So whats the problem here? When YOUR PROPHET said its OK to reject him, why are you here telling people to accept before its 'too late'. your Prophet said its OK anyways! Whereas MY PROPHET SAAWS has warned YOU of what will happen if you reject him/Allah's word etc. By saying 'before its too late', what do you mean? What is the punishment for not accepting/denying/rejecting him? Go on... tell me..because YOUR Profit said no problemo, you are still Muslim if you don't accept me. So what? Are you gonna issue a Fatwa on it because even your Profit said it was OK!!! Whats going to happen?????? Who are you trying to scare:?? The Ahmadis kids out there reading??

    MY PROPHET WINS EVERYTIME!!! I am safer with him SAAWS and him SAAWS alone! Why chance a good thing when everything is stacked up against your Profit? Why chance it when I am still gonna die a Muslim according to your own Profit?

    Oh and by the way, don't you dare tell me its about following the Sunnah of the Prophet SAAWs in accepting that man!! Because its NOT SUNNAH...

    END OF. Stop with your crap on MY BLOG! Do not post this kind of rubbish without explaining the techs behind what your Ummati Nabi said was OK and what was not OK!

    That goes for every Ahmadi out there. And for the people jumping up and down claiming I have been caught... LOL...you might want to inform YOUR JAMAAT! Because according to My Uncles RAF AND NAS, they are none the wiser ;) I am on the inside. Do NOT forget that....


    BRILLIANT....... Could not have put it better myself. Simple but straight.

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  26. Potential reverts to Islam! Please make contact with your Masjeed and they will love you and support you so much without any suspicion and nor do they want anything in return. They do this to please Allah.

    You reverts make me realise how easy I have it and are inspiring. I would love for you to have the courage to go public one day and give talks at our Masjeed. You could be a real inspiration to many people from many walks of life. Elhamdolilah.

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    1. Jzks for your comment. Insh'Allah one day :)

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  27. Beautiful Du'ah For Every Single Muslimah

    ♥ O Allah! Please grant me the one Who will be the garment for my soul Who will satisfy half of my deen and in doing so make me whole.

    ♥ Make him righteous and on your path In all he'll do and say and sprinkle water on me at Fajr Reminding me to pray.

    ♥ May he earn from halaal sources and spend within his means.

    ♥ May he seek Allah's guidance always To fulfill all his dreams.

    ♥ May he always refer to Qur'an and the Sunnah as his moral guide.

    ♥ May he thank and appreciate Allah For the woman at his side.

    ♥ May he be conscious of his anger and often fast and pray, be charitable and sensitive in every possible way.

    ♥ May he honor and protect me and guide me in this life and please Allah make me worthy to be his loving wife.

    ♥ And finally, O Allah! Make him abundant in love and laughter in taqwa and sincerity in striving for the hereafter!

    Special duah for cultgirl. :) xxx

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    1. Jzks this is lovely. Thank you. I will make sure to pass it on as well.

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