Tuesday, 6 March 2012

Office Bearers in UK Cult Administration forced to join 'Will' Scam.

Salaam!

Ahhh you lucky so and so's, a double whammy from me today, with two entries! Don't worry, you won't be hearing from me for a few days after this so as a extra special treat, I am making this post extra long! I know how you all love my long posts, oh yes you do! I am on holiday from work these days you see, because I had to take my annual leave before I lost it to the system, explaining why I have so much free time on my hands! So, in between watching Kings of Queens, Bulging Brides (I thought I was slim until I started watching this daytime junk, stupid diets), I Used To Be Fat (one day, Insh'Allah) and re-runs of Desperate Housewives, I thought I should probably do as many posts as I can! It's not possible to blog while I am at work, because they restrict a lot of sites and that includes my Blog and to post anonymously while the family is roaming about isn't always easy! Plus, I am a very hard worker and I would never be on the Internet at work, besides when I am browsing asos.com, boohoo.com, discountcosmetics4u.co.uk and hollywoodgossip.com.I do also visit CBBC to play those stupid addictive games! Have a go, I would recommend Alien Athletics and Aqua Pigs, they make for great time pass between 16:25 and 17:00.

I know many of you have only recently started tuning into sites that are raising awareness about the Cult of Ahmadiyya, and you probably are not aware that there is a wealth of information out there that has been posted in the past. I wouldn't want you to miss out on it all, so I am going to try and bring out some old gems from the Cult Closet as a special treat!

This one is one of my favourites that I am borrowing from thecult.info, because it shows this Cult is all about the ££ MONEY $$. It also serves as firm proof Masroor is changing the laws of Ahmadiyya, set by his great grandad Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, the Prophet of Ahmadiyya.

Below you will find a letter from none other than Rafiq Hayat, the President of the Ahmadiyya Association, that was circulated back in 2010 to office bearers (people who hold positions within the administration of the Cult). Have a read, but before you do, take  note of what Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, the Prophet of Ahmadiyya, said regarding 'Wassiyat':

 "Wassiyat is the making of a will in the favor of the Community, pledging 1/10 to 1/3 of one's total assets to the Jamaat at the time of one's death. A person who has pledged Wassiyat is known as a Moosi and must also donate 1/10 to 1/3 of his earnings yearly instead of chanda aam. This scheme was set up by the Promised Messiah under Divine Revelation. This is a VOLUNTARY pledge and carries other conditions with it."


This is shocking! Ahmadis claim to whole heartedly follow Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, the so called 'Promised Messiah' but it seems that Rafiq Hayat and their Khalifa Masroor are changing the rules and regulations he set out, for monetary gain! Shocking! How can they just change the ruling of what their Prophet said? The Prophet of Ahmadiyya ( I like to call it Scamadiyya) has made it very clear it is voluntary, but Mas is now demanding that people, if they want to stay in their positions, must sign up to the scheme. There is nothing in the 'Wassiyat' guidelines that says 'to be an office bearer, you must be a Moosi' so why is Mas trying to force people to sign up? Hardly 'voluntary' is it? Hey Ahmadis, as your Prophet Mirza said this scheme was set up under 'divine revelation', I am guessing he wrote the conditions of Wassiyat on these grounds? So what does Mas think he is playing at changing what was revealed to your Prophet Mirza by 'God'? Where do they get off forcing people to sign up to something like this? This isn't a joke, one's will is a big, big, big deal! You can't just expect people to sign over 1/10 of their estate just to keep their positions! What kind of monsters are you Mas and Raf?

For those who are not familiar with what Wassiyat is, Wassiyat means 'Will', as in a a Will that one would have prepared for when they die. Members of the Ahmadiyya Cult are encouraged to sign up to the scheme, where it is claimed by the Cult that you will go to Heaven if you become a member of the 'Wassiyat' Scheme. In short, when you die, the Cult will inherit 1/10 of your estate. When you do eventually kick the bucket, you are then buried in something known as the 'Heavenly Graveyard', where grave plots are reserved for members of the 'Wassiyat Scheme'. According to the official Ahmadiyya website "every Ahmadi firmly believes that only those members destined for Paradise are buried in this heavenly cemetery." The 'Heavenly Graveyards' are segregated sections of Ahmadiyya owned graveyards, that are gated off, reserved especially for those who in their lifetime, signed up for the 'Wassiyat' scheme. When a Cult member signs up for 'Wassiyat', they are known as 'Moosi'. This is considered a great honour within the Community, as it shows dedication to the cause, great self sacrifice and that you are also going to Heaven! Sign up, and you are fast tracked into Heaven but if you don't sign up, you are not going to Heaven.

1/10 is a lot to ask of someone, especially when parents have always thought of leaving what they have for their children. So the Cult emotionally blackmails people into signing up. Those who are not 'Moosis' are made to feel inferior and pride/status is very important within the Cult. This letter is a prime example; office bearers are told that if they do not sign up, they will be removed from their positions and be replaced with Moosis. Ahmadis bless em' consider it a great blessing to work for the community of God, and if their title is withdrawn, it can be a deeply distressing and upsetting time, as they would feel that their Khalifa is displeased with them. Many office bearers are elderly men who have retired and spend time volunteering for the community. That is a horrid thing to do to an old man. Unfortunately, my own father fell victim to this kind of trap and signed up to this sick scheme! Yep, that's just great, considering me and my siblings pay the mortgage (financial circumstances meant we had to) but as it's in my father's name, there isn't much we can do to stop the money grabbing, blood sucking Cult getting its mucky paws on it. So we pay the mortgage, and Mas will get 1/10 of it and there is nothing we can do. Unless insh'Allah by some miracle, my father realises what a sham this heaven scam is and cuts the Cult out of his Will. On that note, I would strongly advise Ahmadis whose parents have not yet been suckered into this scheme to do your level best to stop them from signing over what is YOURS to them. We were not consulted but if your parents do discuss it with you, protect them and protect what is rightfully yours from them. There is nothing worse than looking at your old and frail father and knowing he has been conned by spiritual thieves.


A few questions Ahmadis need to ask themselves:

  • Firstly, if Wassiyat is a voluntary type of chanda (as shown from the definition above) then why are office bearers being threatened with removal if they don't cough-up? Why is Mas changing the rules that were set by the Prophet of Ahmadiyya. What right does he have to do that or rather, does he have a right to do that?
  • Secondly, why must they "earn the prayers of Hudhur Aqdas by becoming Moosi"? Are the prayers of the Khalifa something to be bought and sold? Seems that way!
  • If this scheme was really set up under "Divine Revelation" then why aren't office bearers already part of it. Indeed, why aren't ALL Ahmadis part of the scheme of Wassiyat? Is it because deep-down they realise that it's just another way the Ahmadiyya Movement is stealing their money?
  • Is there any evidence in Quran and Ahadith to support this Scheme? Is there any evidence to suggest in the Quran that provided you are of 'good character' and are a 'Moosi' you are going to go to Heaven? If so, where is the evidence?  I don't want proof that 'charity' in the cause of 'Islam', I would like evidence from the Quran to show that my dad is going to go to Heaven after signing up to 'Wassiyat'. Can you provide that?
  • Is this letter anything but clear evidence that this cult is nothing more than a money-grabbing business?

Have a think about it....

Oh and before I go, if anyone is remotely interested in knowing what an actual Wassiyat/Will application form looks like, take a look:





Creepy Culty Crawlies Coming for your Cash! I won't tell you why they ask for a thumb impression, it will creep you right out! It's something to do with the dead body and the family contesting the Will. A signature can be forged right? Not a thumb print! Urgh. These people are beyond contempt! Notice anything on the first page? Caste? How very hindu-like and how utterly un-Islamic! Bla Bla Bla True Muslims my foot!

184 comments:

  1. you are a greedy pig cult girl. you just want your dad's money and he isn't even 6 feet under yet! your true colors are showing now. gold digger

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    1. If cult girl is a gold digger then what does that make Masroor?

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    2. You are off your rocker mate! Mas can have his blood money...take 1/10 of what is RIGHTFULLY mine and my siblings in Islam, if you Ahmadis really are Muslim! Mas can have it its of no use to me anyway. But realise that it is them that are digging for gold..not me! Nothing will bring my parents back when they die not 1/10 of anything. So don't you dare call me greedy.

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    3. Here is a question for you, why should one be made to feel that they can buy their way to heaven when Allah SWT clearly states in the Holy Quran it is his mercy and nothing else to allow one in heaven.
      Also Islamicly we see that when someone died and had a outstanding debt on them, someone took the responsibility for it even a non-relative. Whereas I know that the cult stops the barial if the wassiyyat is not paid upto date.
      Are you so stupid that you can not see the sign or are you in the first rakoo of second chapter.
      Let me share I have sealed their hearts, ear and eyes.

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  2. This is disgusting how can they ever justify this?

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  3. It's funny that the blinds don't see the scam. How the hell that one determine that the wassiyyat subscribers are destined to heaven? Bunch of craps. Tell me Ahmadis, even if all Ahmadis are moosis, and from a faraway land, it'll take days to travel to the so called graveyard. You call this delayed burial, Islamic? A piece of land, destined for the heavenly? Wake up!! Sometimes I wonder why the allegedly divine instructions so flawed for if one day should there's another so called divine claim to bury oneself in Mecca for free and that too promise a gateway to heaven, we'll see how many idiots would fall for it. But hello, Mecca, you know. Too bad no takers as a place of burial does not matter. If one is good and worthy of the Almighty's grace, God willing, the place he\ she finally rests does not really matter. Am sad for the duped already Moosis. Even our great Prophet Saw did not invoke such practice/ promise despite his status in the Islamic history! Think bout it, I hope you Moosis wake up though it's not my money they're after. LOL.

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  4. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle6 March 2012 at 23:45

    Sharyuken of an article!!! I like how you are playing the game! THIS IS A CULT!!! THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY!!! Qadianis please just look and think about it. What do you see around you?

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    1. They see 'dead people' going to Heaven.

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  5. It seems like everybodys a moosi
    I wonder how they go to heaven
    When the chanda comes first and the prayer comes second
    Just stop for a minute and smile

    Why is everybody so serious
    These jokers top class idiots
    Rafs got his shades on his eyes and his shirt so tight
    That you can't even see him at niiighhht

    Ohhhhhhhh!

    Now everybody look to nas
    Now everybody look to Raf
    Cab you feel that? Yeaah
    Your gonna get scammed tonight!

    It's not about the money money money
    We love all the moosi moosi moosis
    We just want a lot of Chanda
    Forget about the zakat

    Umphghhh

    Forget about the Fa-Fa-findings
    Ain't about the Cha-ching Cha-ching
    We want chanda
    Forget about zaaakaat

    Cover of Jessie J - price tag
    (Forget about zakat) by AhmadiyyaParadox

    Anyway hope you likes the song it ain't finished!

    I sent you an email but you never replied. Anyhow I am still a questioning ahmadi, the email I sent u was a very confused one if you remember it. I just typed that up like a lunatic. With caps lock there and here. I'm sure you were busy I'm trying to sign up to cult forums under this current alias so I might Jus pm you there.

    Anyway I have a question I accept Raf is corrupt but he might have used hazoors name. Did hazoor actually instructed this. Raf probably chatted gas and hazoor justs says fine without really thinking about it...... I know they do these sort of things a lot and sometimes use his name any without consultation.

    So is this mentioned in a Friday sermon? At the time Offcourse.

    Peace be upon you

    AhmadiyyaParadox

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    1. That's funny AParadox and soooooooo true, please finish the lyrics.

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    2. Lol I like this song! I was listening to it on youtube yesterday! Good rendition! LOL.... remixed one!

      I remember your email very well, I read it over a few times. Thank you for your detailed example of what you have witnessed. Very good read! I think I might be able to help on that matter too...I am going to dig for some docs that I might have on the example you gave me. not sure but I will dig around. inshallah. I am trying to get a process set up for responding to emails. I have to be ultra careful because there are a lot of Jamaat lot that email in fake rubbish so I cannot reply with using a proxy. There big IT dept wants my IP. lol ;) Otherwise I could just reply from my phone or something. However, that should be resolved soon. inshallah.

      Yes Mas definitely said it- scouts honor!

      Now let me ask you, AhmadiyyaParadox, what do you make of this? I am talking just about what your Messiah has said and what your Khalifa is doing. What do you think?

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    3. That was a very ignorant email. Its not 100% accurate, maybe 90% as blinded by hate. Now that the dust has settled (in my head?) I see things more clearly and the reality is worse. I will tell you in private.

      I read through all the seeratul-mahdi translation and hmga has definately some disturbing quotes but also some points I felt were heavily exaggerated by bias. That's all ive read honestly so far. However when I take a look at his life and compare it with hazrat isa nd holy prophet saw or hzrat musa my allah be pleased with them all. He lived a very different life and did nothing to stop the corrupt British. Most prophets were outlaws and went against the system.

      Our khalifa is not very bright. Also to think he would do this just for the money???? How? This is a khalifa! One of my character flaws is that I think good of most I know and everyone i don't. When I get told of bad deeds I always believe that the other dudes intentions were different and never ment this to happen. As a result I end up being used and constantly forgiving blindly. Now expand this to our khalifa, its hard for me to believe he could do this? Any human in fact! I can't say he's Init for the Monayyy just cantttt... :(

      Hope you understand where I'm coming from.

      Now a small question: would you prefer a pm on forums or a email?

      Ps- I'm on my rubbish phone so might be a lot of stuff that don't make sense

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    4. Sign up to the forums for now, it is a lot easier. You can find me very easily there but you can email too. Also, you will enjoy the forums. You can ask questions etc and there are some really clued on people there mashallah. A lot of times things can become a bit messy here and discussion can go off course. There, we have a lot of structure. Try it. If you are worried about IP tracing crap bla bla that the Jamaat have been using to stop people signing up, go through Brother Hussain. Email him on the forum, he will set it up under his IP. No problems!

      I understand, its something very difficult to fathom. You really need to read and read everything again, Drop the metaphorical arguments and read facts. All I can say to you is you cannot go wrong if you believe in the Prophet SAAWS. Keep it simple. With Ahmadiyya you are taking a MASSIVE gamble. Dont chance it without actually knowing what you are following. Its a huge risk you are taking. You know one thing my parents said to be when I began questioning? "Why do you have to be so difficult and why can't you just be what your family are". I remember asking my mum if say I was a Christian and then accepted Ahmadiyya, would you say the same to a convert to your faith? Are converts to Ahmadiyya wrong then because they are no longer what their parents are? She literally didn't know what to say. So dont feel bad for questioning your faith because of your parents; your parents are not always right. I hate the thought of that, but what can you do! Imagine how the Prophet SAAWS must have felt when his Uncle Abu Talib refused to accept Islam. His own Uncle who had raised him didnt accept Islam, so its not out of the ordinary that our parents believe in Ahmadiyya.

      Also please do not get suckered in by these 'out of context' and 'wrongly translated' and 'wrongly worded' excuses Ahmadis come out with. If you are doubtful about the context as you are for Seeratal Mahdi, you should take the excerpts to a Urdu reading person who is NOT Ahmadi and ask them to trasnlate for you. I did. It was worse than I thought. My poor best friends Dad was so embarrassed reading some of it to me. I'll never forget that day. It was so awkward. I am not in contact with my friend anymore, but I will always be grateful to her for taking me to her father. She was an amazing girl. So try that if you doubt the 'internet mullahs'. lol.

      Have you heard of the Lahoris? You know they accept the claims of MGQ but reject all Khalifas that came after him. That could well mean that your Khalifas are fake and not who they say they are. You ever considered that? Mas is not a good man. Look around you.

      Do you remember the Shahnawaz Shezan family? Their pictures were uploaded on the net a few days after 30 people were expelled for going to a mixed wedding in America. Someone posted shezans pics up- in america- at a very mixed wedding. bare belly girls and dancing. The faces of the Shezan people were very visible. NO action was taken. Prophet SAAWS was a just man.

      What about this Nasser Khan situation. No action taken. He was seen at the Croydon centre opening with Mas- after fozzys lies were exposed. Prophet SAAWS was a just man.

      Dont forget that....

      I really hope you see the light. inshallah. you deserve it.

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  6. Seriously i am sick of reading "quotations put by you here TOTALLY OUT of CONTEXT"... You hate Ahmadiyya Jamaat, you think its a cult or whatever evil thing THEN JUST LEAVE... leave it and be free... and stop spreading hate and lies. Stop manipulating each and everything just cuz you want to live off your parent's money. No one wants you to be a part of "this so called cult" as you say... no one is stopping you. I know this for a fact that no one in the community really cares who leaves or stays except for one's own family. TWO of my close family friends chose to marry outside Jamaat and they disconnected themselves from Jamaat for good, they live on their own, THEY WORK and pay bills for themselves, no one from Jamaat has ever contacted them about anything. SO STOP this drama and LEAVE (no one wants you) not even your own parents would want you once they find out about your lies and drama. Go be a "GORI" take off your pardah and clothes, go clubbing and be free. (and leave the Jamaat Alone)
    And as far as CHANDA and WILL is concerned, NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE HEAVEN to anyone except for ALLAH. And the main purpose of doing WASSIYAT is to try and be better humans/muslims, and follow Islam to the fullest, so you can try and achieve that level of Purity that Allah would grant you HEAVEN.... its to teach you sacrifice for Allah. You won't understand that, cuz u r born in a materialistic society, you can't think past MONEY and all that crap.
    AT LEAST study the full WASSIYAT book and then talk, you LYING COW!

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    1. Thanks for the love for all hatred for none message! This is lovely! I have been called a pig/cow by you all singing and dancing Qadis! LOVELY! Huzoor anwar bla bla if you are reading...look a your soldiers! Beautiful example of true Muslims. Is this why you dont want Qadis on the internet? Because you know deep down you guys are not examples of any true muslims? Also because you know your people cannot defend this filth?! EXACTLY.

      So mr 'lying cow' anonymous... tell me, where in your wassiyat book does it give mas the permission to change it from voluntary to compulsory for office bearers? SHOW ME!!!!

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    2. Everything Findings is saying is based on Facts and is true - why are you getting so hot under the collar and being abusive. Try answering the questions instead.

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    3. Lets see if he comes with what makes me a lying cow. If I am a liar I need to know so I can take back this Blog post. So Mr Lying Cow, can you prove to us :

      that what mas is doing is right
      where in the quran it says give 1/10 of your estate and you go to heaven.

      astagfirallah. only Allah decides. sick Mirza.

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    4. @AnonymousMar 6, 2012 06:38 PM

      I truely believe you don't have to give 1/10 of your estate and being a moosi to have that special graveyard is a path to purify yourself. There are numerous ways to please Allah (swt) and most important he knows what's in your hearts, each individual is judged on their own merit and not judged because he/she did not contribute financially apart from zakat.
      I am not materialistic it's about integrity from your administration, why take 1/10 from their estate it is rightfully in Islam to next of family not the jamaat. You say that it is Allah (swt) to judge who goes to heaven so why the need of money from ahmadis, can't Mas talk about being good and pious to people with his boring khutbas instead all he talks about MGA, chanda, chanda and more chanda, who is being materialistic now,it's nothing on Islam.
      If you have to be a moosi than why on earth do you have someone like Nasser Khan up there, what exactly has he contributed being pious, stealing and lying etc.

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    5. here here,
      Nasser Khan is a prime example of someone with stealing and lying in his history. Are you telling us because of his wassiyyat he's guaranteed a place in heaven.
      Now that's an insult to pious, honest and truthful people out there.

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    6. For Ahmadis who are going to deny this and say its also down to other conditions and it doesn't mean you are guaranteed Heaven, I would like to quote again from their official site:

      Every Ahmadi firmly believes that only those members destined for Paradise are buried in this heavenly cemetery.

      LOL.

      Have a read of it twice and three times over. ONLY THOSE MEMBERS DESTINED FOR PARADISE ARE BURIED IN THIS CEMETARY...so what about those who are not? As it says, ONLY THOSE MEMBERS?!?! Ahmadis you better get your Moosi on and sign up! You going to hell otherwise!

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    7. Thats a lie, NO ONE can claim they'd go to HEAVEN. And no where in the Wassiyat Book it says that you'll go to Heaven if you pay Chanda or do Wassiyat. Stop lying please. Stop taking things out of context and posting them here, FIRST study the whole thing yourself at least. You are twisting the truth to the LIMIT. Even paying Wassiyat Chanda is to make sure that it reminds you to be a better Muslim first, there's extremely strict Islamic/Quranic teachings in that book, which you have to follow first. Main reason for it is to make oneself better Muslim, you can't think past money, can you?

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  7. Spending in the way of Allah is a test of your loyalty and devotion to Islam and its no surprise that the verses come from “Surat Al-Munāfiqūn The Hypocrites”, have a read of below

    “And spend [in the way of Allah ] from what We have provided you before death approaches one of you and he says, "My Lord, if only You would delay me for a brief term so I would give charity and be among the righteous." (Holy Quran 63:10)

    Whether this verse applies to Zakat or Sadqa or whatever is irrelevant, the fact is the hypocrites don't want to pay and this is the one test which they will always fail.

    Ahmadis belong to the saved 73rd sect but just by being born into it does not guarantee anything, Allah is watching over this jamaat and hypocrites will be continuously weeded out and dumped with the 72 hell bound.

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    1. You are totally on the wrong side of the track about the 73 sects! The Prophet saaws said 'Of my Ummah' but Qadianis are not part of the 'Ummah'. You have been outlawed and are not part of the Ummah. So this doesn't apply to you. He discusses the 73 divisions within the Ummah (believers) not fake religions like yours. The Prophet SAAWS said his UMMAH will divide into 73 Sects of which one will be saved from the Hellfire. Do you know what group that is? The one who did not innovate religious practices. The one who did not stray from the Sunnah of the Prophet SAAWs. It might consist of 1 man or 1billion men, only Allah knows! The rest will be tormented in Hell as believers but not as disbelievers. Their punishment will not be eternal. Lets focus on INNOVATIONS, if Ahmadis are Muslim, which they are not, but lets pretend they are for the purpose of this comment you are of the Ummah (which you are not because you have been outlawed):

      1) your leadership has made what Allah has made halal - haram. If you consider non Ahmadis Muslim, your leaders have no right to ban the marriages of Ahmadis to Muslims. Muslims had the right to because they are not considered Muslim. Period. Whats this? INNOVATION- making something Halal, Haram!

      2) minimum of £10,000 haq mehr or no niqah. if you are Muslims, and are of the Ummah, this is INNOVATION.

      3) introduction of chanda- no support for this compulsory payment in ahadith or quran. this Ayah that Ahmadis keep using doesnt support Chanda it supports Zakat. INNOVATION.

      4) wassiyat- no such thing in Quran/Ahadith and this was NOT something the Prophet SAAWs advised/instructed Muslims to do. INNOVATION.

      5) No niqah in the UK to be read unless the couple have been for marriage counselling. INNOVATION.

      6) to become a Muslim, you simply need to take the Shahada. to become an Ahmadi, which remember for the purpose of this comment, is to become a Muslim too. Since when does it say anywhere in Islam to become a Muslim you need to sign papers? INNOVATION.

      I could go on. So do you see, even if you were of the Ummah and were of the 73 sects that MY Prophet saaws told us about, you wouldn't be the one going to heaven anyways. Why? Because you and your people are introducing INNOVATIONS/CUSTOMS into Islam that were not prescribed! But as you are NOT of the Ummah..it doesnt apply to you anyway. GEDDIT?


      Now please, don't come here with 'begging it' arguments that apply only to MUSLIMS and please tell me, where in the Quran it says you will go to Heaven if you are buried in Bahisht Maqbara?? Where does it say 1/10 payment? Where does it say anout Wassiyat? BRING PROOF...

      thanks. bye :)

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    2. Laughing out so loud!!

      It’s very simply mate, Holy Prophet (SAW) said:

      72 will be hell bound and one saved sect will be right.

      You non Ahmadi Muslims have got together and said:

      72 are correct and one sect which is Ahmadiyyat is wrong

      The real question is why do you continue to follow the Mullah when they are clearly leading you to hell?? Unless you are Iblis and are destined for hell.

      Your move Iblis.

      Shahabe Saqib

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    3. Listen Sunni Convert, you have been told you are not allowed to post here again. But on this instance, I will entertain you.

      Dont misquote the Hadith, this is wrong of you.

      Here is what the Prophet SAAWS said:

      My Ummah will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them will be in the Fire except one. (Muslim.)

      You are not of THE UMMAH so how does this apply to you?????? He was very clear in that he said Ummah but if you are not Muslim, like Hindus are not Muslim, how can this apply to you? Are hindus of the Ummah too?

      Really whack and very misleading attempts by the Qadianis to deceive the innocent followers. Shame on you.

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    4. More hatred. Calling me Iblis?

      Wow. And the Qadis cry that I call Rafiq 'Raf'. Wow. Whose for hate now??

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    5. @ Iblis 04:06 AM You are the one misquoting the hadith by putting "(Muslims.)

      And, who declared Ahmadis "Non Muslims" - the 72 Hell bound.

      So if they are hell bound then why should anyone pay attention to any decisions those Mullas have made???

      I tell you what Iblis - why don't you campaign, perhaps another hate blog, and get the Mullas to declare that Ahmadis are now included in Islam - that way Ahmadis will not be able to claim that they are the saved sect because then we will all be in the same boat.

      Do answer my question, if you dare to…why do you lot still follow these mullas who will lead you to Hell?

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    6. I follow one man and one man only- Holy Prophet SAAWS.

      Hellbound? Say it again....

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    7. @anon Ahmadi

      Calm down, dear. The Holy Prophet SAAWS has also said that we are supposed to stick to the majority. The one right sect is Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah because we are the majority.

      Ahmadiyya can't possibly be the right sect because of its beliefs. You are trying to justify your beliefs through the back door, saying that they have to be right because you are apparently the one sect. But it's those very beliefs that disqualify Ahmadiyya as an islamic sect in the first place.

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    8. Findings why do you mention the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah under anonymous? Is it that shameful to admit you are a S U N N I ?????????? Or is it because the majority of Muslims do not follow a sect apparently?? Says Farhan. What nonsense.

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  8. Theory fiction - one day a revelation came to pass, commanding the holy man to tell his pple to pray five times, but the holy man is exempted from the obligation. For those who question why the holy man and his family are excluded from the commandment, the voice from above stated that the questioners are those w hearts impure.

    Sounds parallel to some doctrine/ commandment?

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  9. "You are not of THE UMMAH so how does this apply to you?????? "

    Where in the Quran or Hadith does it state that YOU are able to determine and decide who is in the Muslim Ummah? This is where you FAIL.

    There is no such verse or saying that says one is not muslim because of their belief on the 'finality of prophethood' !!!

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    1. LOL. Ok then. Lets say you are Muslim for the purpose of this particular argument. OK Ahmadis are Muslim.

      Explain the innovation... go right on.

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    2. Lol out of curiosity though, what Ummah are you part of? Because the mainstream Ummah reject you. Oh yes, apparently, according to Ahmadis, the 73rd sect will be persecuted by the 72 sects! Can you also prove you are the 73rd sect?

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    3. If Ahmadis are muslim like you say then sure we can prove we are a Muslim sect like NO OTHER.

      We are the only ones united with one leader. End of.

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    4. ^ loool and to be united under one leader makes you muslim?

      BREAKING NEWS!!!! ALL OF NORTH KOREA IS NOW MUSLIM!!!!!! ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA :p

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    5. No it makes us different from the rest.

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    6. you sure are different, I give you that much! :)

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    7. Yes I think of it as special :)

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  10. @ Findings 04:06 AM

    What is the problem if people call you names? you do it all the time to Ahmadis.

    Looks like someone has to do a bit of growing up.

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    1. I don t mind lol. Im just saying then dont cry when I call you names. Mind you , you do realise who Iblis is? Major insult, beyond anything I could ever say about you, but its OK, for the Love of Allah and exposing the true face of your Cult..I will take it. Its all good.

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    2. Marry me Cult Girl! Ma'shaAllah :)

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    3. I am alright thanks. I might be a boy according to the Jamaat by the way so it wouldn't be wise to propose to me. Take heed. Scram.

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    4. Cult Girl you had Chase and Status on this post yday.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9jeU76Y9E

      I like this.

      "What do you take me for, why must I wait. Coz while you decide, I am stuck here suffocating"

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  11. @Shahabe Saqib, it is useless to debate with you because i know you will talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk on 72 Sects, Death of ISA or Khatm e Nabowat where things are little controversial. But you will never talk about MGAQ books and on thousands clear evidences which easily prove this is a cult. I will suggest you read MGAQ books and then read Quran translation and feel the difference. You are brain washed I understand it would be difficult for you to accept that you are in a cult we people also belong to this same cult but the difference is we are mentally strong, our minds are free and functioning properly or Allah guided us thats why we are able to judge this is a cult otherwise i admit if you are brain washed its really very difficult to decide you are in a cult.

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  12. Dear finding
    you may be right that Ahmadis are not part of UMMAH but then think what when ahmadis were considered a sect of ISLAM and part of UMMAH , until 72 sect took pride in declaring Ahmadis not part of UMMAH , it is not Ahmadis who say this you know these were the headlines of newspaper when Ahmadis were declared non muslim mentioning specific figure of 72 sect google it or you want me to send the link

    NO wonder you people are deaf dumb and blindfolded you hearts are sealed

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  13. CLEVER TOPIC DIVERSION I SEE GOING ON. SOMEONE HAD TO BRING UP THE 73 SECTS DIDNT THEY?!

    LETS GO BACK TO WASSIYAT.

    BRING THE PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH. THANKS.

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    1. @Findings its very difficult to talk with these ahmdies they always try to waste time on baseless and useless topics. Although we are very strong in any debate because there are thousands mistakes in MGAQ books but all are useless because they are brainwashed they dont need "Mullah" or "Ulma" they need psychiatrist who convince them that you are in a trance.

      MFC

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    2. True. we have a khalifa, what do you have. you love mullahs. 73 sects. but thats metaphorical. but you believe jesus is alive in heaven is he gonna need a visa when he descends. yabba yabba yabba.

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    3. They laugh on "Peeri Mureedi" but they cant differentiate between "Peeri" and their "Khalafat" both are exactly same. You can find many such abnormalities in so called true ahmdies. i observed them many time their mind dont work normally when they think anything about religion/ahmdiyat I bet 1000 great "Ulma" or "Mula" cant convince one so called true ahmadi but one average psychiatrist can convince 1000 so called true ahmdies easily.

      MFC

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    4. Yes. They refer to Mas as Master. Astagirallah.

      Someone posted this once about Pir e Mureedi and Shirk:

      Having a spiritual leader present should encourage greater spirituality with in our souls. It should make us focus on our Creator. Sadly many Ahmadis focus has been diverted from the essence of becoming closer to Allah and pleasing Him to that of serving the Khalifa and attaining his pleasure. Many Ahmadis seem desperate to incur the Khalifa's blessings. When the Khalifa speaks we are told we must obey his every command, we must not upset him by our actions, we must not incur the Khalifa's displeasure. If we make an error we must repeatedly beg for his forgiveness. They appear to be more fearful of the Khalifa that Allah who is watching us all.

      Ahmadies should remember the Khalifa is NOT God, he is not an Angel, he is a human being that has been elected by fellow humans. Respect and worship are 2 different things. Respect by all mean but Allah the One who has created us is only worthy of worship - physically and mentally.

      Our Creator knows his creatures. He is constantly aware of them.He attends and listens to their prayers. There is no need for special intermediaries because He is approachable by everybody and this equality in our relationship to him liberates us from being subservient to anybody. He judges us irrespective of race, colour, heritage or status. Allah is our Master, Lord of all the worlds, no one can compete with Him.

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    5. So hands up Ahmadis how many of you have written to Mas recently requesting 'special prayers'. LOL.

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    6. Yes pleasing the khalifa so true, its disgusting.

      Once hazoor was meeting all the people who did duty. They kiss his hand Ewww. I was thinking 'do they think he's wayy above us?' And also thought ' dam I feel sorry for hazoor all that stinky night duty saliva'

      When it came to my turn I shook him with one hand. Hazoor didn't Care but boy did I get some dirty looks.

      Lool, there's so much more but Ill keep those disturbing times to myself. Also cuz I don't name names :P

      Ahmadiyya paradox.

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    7. OMG that is so true and so well said and beautifully written.
      Let's see what Shahbe Saqib has to say to the above. Let me guess........
      SS response topic diversion.

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    8. On a serious note though why do you find it offensive when talking about your messiah's passport/visa? Surely he needs one to travel around the world so that he can break each man made cross.

      Also will your messiah have scars on his hands and feet for you to accept his claim? Or do you think they've healed in all them years? These questions may sound ridiculous to you but I can't see you answering them.

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    9. So hands up Ahmadis how many of you have written to Mas recently requesting 'special prayers'. LOL.

      Do you not understand the concept of request for prayers also?

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    10. Anon 6.32 it's to do with how superior you think a caliph is. Maybe your faith is weak that's why you don't have the same feeling.

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    11. Ahmadiyya paradox # so true! They idolise him to the point that they even have their children named after his wife because they lurveeeee him that much. How many Ahmadis were named on the say so of their Khalifa. Findings, did your parents demi-God name you??? ..... I can bet you a burger he did right? What about your family members???..... I can bet you a doner kebab they were named according to the name your parents demi-God chose for them! I was :-) I am changing it by deed poll to rub this curse of the cult off me. It is still a Muslim name yeah but I would prefer to rid of the curse.

      Ahmadis out there even change their surname from Butt to Ahmad and Malik to Ahmad and Rahman to Ahmad just so they can be 'true Ahmadis'. These names are changed to mimic their love for Big Boss 1900 nee Mirza Goonie Ahmed. I know its just a name but come on OTT much?

      They slobber all over his hand like a bunch of kuteh (dogs in Punjabi). smoochie smoochie time. My Ahmadi cousin went home and kissed his wife not on the mouth but in the mouth because his lips had touched the Khalifa. She told me he gently pressed saliva into her mouth because he had intentionally kept his mouth wet when he kissed his Khalifa. He kissed all his children on the forehead too. Its 'blessing' them she said. I was mortified. They made love that night too because they wanted to try for another baby. Go figure.

      They adorn their houses of pictures of their Khalifas. The Big Boss 1900 Aka Mirza Goonie Qadiani usually has a feature wall dedicated to him.

      Then we have all the mini me's. There are calenders, glass features and books of their pictures everywhere. We have pictures everywhere of the Mirzas. Sometimes poor old best friend of Goonie Nooruddin makes an appearance in those dangle danlge pictures but he is an article of shit and shame because he is not a Mirza so few people remember him. We have pens and notepads with the name of Khalifas on them. We have idiot lunatics keeping anything the Khalifa touched. The Holy Prophet saws said do not yearn for me when I am gone but you so called True Muslameens keep a tissue that your Khalifa blew his nose into!

      Then we have the 'request for prayers' brigade who in their hundreds will write and email their Khalifa. 'I have exam'. 'My business do bad'. 'My marriage trouble'. 'I have sex problem I cant get up'. 'I want to become doctor for african people in jamaat.' 'my daughter rishtah not happen I need special prayers'. Middle Man Masroor. lmao!

      This is a lesser form of Shirk but then what is Shirk for a non believer? You say tomayto. I say tomartoe. I am outta this God forsaken Cult sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

      Mas needs to fuck himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pardon my francoise but I was born an Ahmadi and profanities is what our people do best! Son of a fucking prostitute!!!!!

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    12. Ouch! :-o i was named by MTA but my parents didnt like it for a first name so chose it for a middle name.hate it is as well! worst name ever! I think I will rid of it as well inshallah. a good idea. i dont fancy his input! my first name ALHAMDULILLAH I love, Love, Love. A shaykh told me that it was perfect for me. my parents did well. better than useless MTA :)Loooooooool @ make love that night.. what was mas's touch gonna give your cousin the magic touch?? To spit in her mouth too? these people are fruit loops. URGH. I heard of someone who once kissed and rubbed a table that mas sat at before he became Khalifa. In my house we have one picture of MTA and one of Mas but none of the Mcdaddy himself. Dont know why but I am sooooo glad!! That main picture of him, you know the universal one that everyone knows about, that pic freaks me out. once i was in Pakistan and staying with a lot of my cousins. I remember waking up in the middle of night and saw his face. OMG lol the beating I got for screaming by my Aunt when she realised what it was I got scared of. I had to watch MTA the whole morning after. I do have to give it to my parents, they dont over do it. I am lucky in that sense. we are not much of a family for pictures tbh. but other ahmadi houses are.
      ps: go easy on the swearing next time please :) I know you are mad but there are elders and kids reading. Thanks and no hard feelings :)

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  14. @Iblis 05:19 am

    LOSTINGS DEAR....So it is ok for you to insult The Promissed Messiah (AS) and His noble Khulafa.

    If you love Allah then RESPECT what Allah says which is that you should not hurt anyone by your actions.

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    1. Your Messiah is ruining the akhirah of sooo many people. He deserves no respect. None at all. I am being polite when I say that. Im sorry. If you dont like it, please go. I am not here to pussy foot around you.

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    2. @above anonymous, you wrote "you should not hurt anyone by your actions" you can feel we are hurting you by talking against your khalifa but you never can feel this cult also hurts someone very badly by giving a punishment of AKHRAJ/social bycote in other words "A totally black be fallow is asking to cow that your tail is black". Believe me you dont think normally this is abnormal behavior you need a psychiatrist.

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  15. @ Findings 05:56 AM

    But isn’t the "Akhirah" of "soooo many" already in tatters because Muslims these days either belong to 72 hell bound or 1 saved sect which is Ahmadiyyat.

    You said at 05:17 AM:

    "I follow one man and one man only- Holy Prophet SAAWS.
    Hellbound? Say it again...."

    Unfortunately lostings dear, Holy Prophet (SAW) did not say that there will 72 Hell bounds sects, 1 saved sect and 1 "Findings". So you may claim to follow Prophet Mohammad (SAW) but in reality you are not.

    And the question remains - why would anyone in their right mind follow the hell bound mullas.

    Why oh why....

    Shahbe Saqib

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  16. Not gonna waste a single minute on this crap after this post... Its very very clear that U have made up your mind that ONLY YOU are allowed to call names & manipulate/twist truth for your own sake.
    Call names to people who are important & respected in a specific community, a community your parents & probably even your grand-parents followed with clean & pure hearts. (only Allah knows even if your family is ahmadi or not as you claim to be)
    IF you have something against it or you believe differently then just go be with a different community or sect (Whatever U prefer to call it) WHY be disrespectful to someone's Khalifah & Jamaat? Doesn't this apply to you as well to let us choose what we want to believe in? No one is going to stop you if you choose to leave; all you have to do is be truthful to yourself & your family. Go be who you want to be, why bash & trash people you have probably never even met in real life, for all you know they could be best humans at heart and way better in Taqwah then any of us. Allah has not given permission to humans to judge each other. Who are you to judge whats right SECT & wrong SECT? I don't claim to know what my end is going to be, or anyone's for that matter. Only & only Allah knows that, but we can at least push ourselves to be better Muslims/Humans (according to Islamic teachings & Quran).
    What you are doing here is clearly spreading Hate and brain-washing young kids who want "so called western freedom" to go and do what non-muslims are doing now a days. Not only you are making their minds up against the community but their families, you are hurting people and those poor families. (why doesn't not hurting people or controlling them applies to you???)
    Whoever wants to leave can leave, that i know for sure. No one can stop you, Not Jamaat, Not Government, no one.
    So why you choose to stick around and spread hatred + doubt among young kids? Thats the real question, If you talk about being strong and standing-up for yourself then why are you hiding out here and doing what MULLAHs do best (scheme and plot). Mullahs YOU claim to be rightfully from 'MUSLIM UMMAH', who are playing Gods in various countries. Killing innocent people over their beliefs. Putting stickers outside our houses saying we are "WAAJIB-ul-Qatal" just cuz we have a different belief system. All in the name of true Islam, Allah and His Prophet(saw). The Prophet(saw) who wouldn't even allow to harm animals let alone non-believers....

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    1. By the way: I HAVE MET RAF (HUNDREDS OF TIMES UNFORTUNATELY)I HAVE MET NAS AND I HAVE MET MAS AND SHABS. SO WHO HAVENT I MET IN REAL LIFE?

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    2. ALL of that i wrote, and all you have to say is this LOL... LMAO
      Explains a lot about you...
      Cuz you pick and choose according to your mood and agenda, how to play and manipulate everything. Just answer things that you think would help you. Rest can go to hell (pretend that doesn't exist) Like put half Hadith or Ayat... Or paste stuff outta context to twist everything. Good bye to you as well and i pray Allah opens your eyes before its too late and your soul is completely lost in darkness.

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    3. Assistant General Secretary - Noori has been removed.!!!! Are you his daughter ?

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    4. Lol hehehe! RESULT... Has poor Gen Secretary been 'removed' I am "shocked". Ahh I can sleep easy now. You've made my night. And no, I'm not his daughter, my dad doesn't associate to Raffy Boy's office. He is on another team altogether. One day, I might tell you who he is. Poor Noori Sahib. Awww my heart bleeds. Don't worry Noori Sahib come the end of this Month, I can make sure Mirza Hafiz joins you. :P TRIAL and error!

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  17. ... For arguments sake lets say i am not a muslim (in your eyes, not that you are allowed to judge or give verdict but still lets say you know for sure i am not a muslim) Does Islam allow you to say i am to be killed or hated cuz i believe differently? Who gives you permission to spread hatred towards me or my kind? Thats exactly what you & your dear Mullahs are doing. GO on youtube and watch with your own eyes whats happening to Ahmadi's around the world, Indonesia is one of the recent examples. I don't think those people are even allowed to be called HUMANS let alone muslims. And you take sides with those animals? If you had done your research yourself, Read the books & real teachings, you wouldn't be spreading this much hate all around you. Picking on one community like this. (definitely have some sort of hidden agenda, otherwise why target us like every other MULLAH on TV)
    Again i'd finish my last post by saying, all you are doing here is spreading hate (only Allah knows why) and you are not only hurting young people but their poor families. If you think Jamaat is a cult or whatever then leave us in peace. No one would beg you to come back. Whoever else wants to leave can leave as well, there's no one stopping you.
    LIVE AND LET LIVE. Stop spreading hate and increase your personal knowledge about all the sects (who don't even say Kalima right) And still they are legal muslims (LOL) and we who have exact same Namaz QURAAN KALIMA are illegal muslims. Only Allah knows who is right and who is wrong but HE has definitely given some guide lines for us to see. And first is to at least say the KALIMA right. So i think if you actually need to continue this hateful, disrespectful blog of yours, you need to actually read for yourself and find out the truth first instead of being brain-washed by (whoever Mullah etc.)

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    1. Her agenda isn't hidden you silly billy! She has made it very clear and the reason she 'picks' on you (wa wa wa we are being bullied and persecuted) is because she knows your religion! What is up with the Ahmedi obsession with Mullahs?Mullah is a man of great Islamic knowledge. Jealous much?? That your poxy excuse for a Khalifa isn't even able to recite the Quran without fumbling about with a piece of paper? che che che!

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    2. Actually mate you're the one who's BRAINWASHED 100%. Learn to think for yourself nah that's too much to ask for from someone with your mentality.

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    3. LMAO... are you serious? Mullah is a man of great Islamic Knowledge, and in todays time no one fits that definition (they allow killings of innocents in the name of Allah and Islam) come on open your eyes and look around whats happening. If you can watch those videos for more than 30 seconds, you must be one of them then.

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    4. Ahmadis are so jealous that the Mullahs will be the worst creatures. Obsession or hadith?

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    5. You need psychiatrist not "Ulma" or "Mula" you asked:
      Q. Does Islam allow you to say i am to be killed or hated cuz i believe differently?
      A. my answer is NO they are doing wrong

      you can see my answer is simple and straight forward i challenge you give me straight forward answer of my following questions:
      Q. Zakat is more important than chanda?
      Q. Marriage with ahle kitab is haram?
      Q. Akhraj/Social bycot is the great example of hate.

      give me one answer of any question, you cannot give me straight forward answer you need atleast 1000 words. these questions are very simple for a normal person but for you these are more complicated than a complex trigonometry question You dont understand all religions are simple and straight forward because they are for all human being not only for einstein or newton. You think abnormally this is a abnormal behaviour psychologically the truth is you are a psycho.

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    6. 1. Zakaat is important than Chanda for sure. Its one of our 5 pillars of Islam.
      2. Marriage with Ahle Kitaab is not Haraam.
      3. Akhraj is not example of hate, if you believe differently from the community than you are automatically disconnecting yourself. How is that hate? You chose to be different than why are you complaining if the ask you to leave?

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    7. OK akhraj is not example of hate. But tell me why jamat dont ask for zakat and why follower of "TRUE ISLAM" ignore one of five pillars of islam? I am also in this jamat here no one think about zakat.

      Also tell me please when a follower of "TRUE ISLAM" marry with a muslim or other ahle kitab why jamat gives punishment of akhraj. does it mean nouzbiAllah your khalifa better know its consequences than Allah?

      For a normal person it would be the height of hate when any organization wont accept charity/chanda, of course social bycote and other things are also normal for you but believe me this is a abnormal behavior i am very sorry to say you are a psycho you are on the last stage of hate but you dont know about it and trying to justify it.

      Please note you can find many explanations in jamat books or any marabi will convince you that this is a love not hate and your mind will accept it because you are brainwashed or mentally weak but according to real world standards this is the last stage of hate.

      As this is a psychological problem and it useless to debate you i will suggest you must goto psychiatrist this is the job of psychiatrist who will convince you in this world this is called hate.

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    8. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 13:05

      How is Akhraj of Ahmadiyya not hate?? It is hatred dressed up as Islah.

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  18. Look at your level of understanding of Islam you deaf and dumbs are equating peeri Mureedi with Khilafat , the question is not whether you believe in ahmadi Khalifa but you are questioning Khilafat all together, no doubt you r hearts are sealed.

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    1. Could you tell me please what Muhammad SAW told us about khalafat.
      Give me any reference about khalafat in Quran
      Even MGAQ did not say anything about khalafat.

      So why you believe so much in khalafat??? why you think this is the key to goto heaven??? Why you think khalifa is more important than anything. Simple things are complex trigonometry questions for you. You dont think like a normal person you need psychiatrist.

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    2. we were told that HMGA's reference about 'qudrat-e-sania' implies Khilafat. And also, I am not sure but him being a prophet would justify the institution of Kilafat after his demise as it is the sunna...

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    3. 'qudrat-e-sania' mean second qudrat/power how you are so sure MGA was talking about khalifat may be he was talking about something else. very funny, MGA did not write word 'Khalifat' single time and you say 'Khalifat' is important than everything even you cant find any reference of ahadies and quran about 'khalafat'. are you all crazy people?

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  19. And as far spending in the name of ALLAH is concerned its certainly there in Quran how much and how you pay is a choice

    Are there any non moosi in the jummat?

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    1. there are plenty and they are queing up to go to Hell.

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    2. i resigned from my post because i was constantly told that it is necessary to be a moosi...
      but there are soo many non moosis holding a post...

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  21. @ Findings IBLIS 05:56 AM

    But isn’t the "Akhirah" of "soooo many" already in tatters because Muslims these days either belong to 72 hell bound or 1 saved sect which is Ahmadiyyat.

    You said at 05:17 AM:

    "I follow one man and one man only- Holy Prophet SAAWS.
    Hellbound? Say it again...."

    Unfortunately lostings dear, Holy Prophet (SAW) did not say that there will 72 Hell bounds sects, 1 saved sect and 1 "Findings". So you may claim to follow Prophet Mohammad (SAW) but in reality you are not.

    And the question remains - why would anyone in their right mind follow the hell bound mullas non ahmadi mullas.



    Shahbe Saqib

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    1. @ Farhan

      What are you talking about man?? Is this nutcase hour on the blog or what??

      The beneficiary of any inheritance has no right to dictate what the benefactor can or can't do with their assets, if they wished for some part of it to be donated to Jamaat than so be it.

      It's unislamic and frankly speaking disgusting to eye up your parents assets whilst they are alive.

      Hardly a good post, then again which one Findings post is??

      What a sad pathetic being.

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    2. All my posts are pants but then I am just a casual writer, they aren't meant to be good. They are just there to inform.

      While you are here calling me 'sad pathetic being' you obviously have the time to provide me with evidence to support Wassiyat? Please post below.

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    4. @AnonymousMar 7, 2012 07:40 AM

      So it's ok if the jamaat eyes up your parent's assets which again is not islamic right to do so, families have first right not the jamaat.
      It is also our right to tell them about falsehood of this stupid scheme, totally unislamic.

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    5. Oops I Missed that part about my parents' assets! It's funny you say that because for the past 15/16 years they may as well have been my eldest brother's. They own 1 house and that house they do not run, we run. My brother pays their bills despite having a family of his own to support. He covered the costs of the extension and all building repairs. They do not work. My father works full time for your Cult. My mother is a housewife who also wastes her precious time working for your cult. Their pension pays towards living costs such as gas and electric and food. The costs of the brick and mortar we live within are met by myself and my brother and sister. However my brother never once asked for the house to be signed over because he wanted it shared out between us all. That is only fair. Why should my sister suffer and not receive her fair share just because at the time she was a very small child when my brother began paying the mortgage. If my dad had signed it over, then it would have been my brothers but that wouldn't be fair because my sister wasn't old enough to pay towards the costs of the house. Both my father and brother said she would be penalised and thus decided against transferrrring it to my brother. For the past 8 years I have paid towards the mortgage too. In 2008/9 my father, behind our backs, went to Munir Javed and got the papers for the Wassiyat. He has now pledged that on his death, the Cult will receive a share.

      So excuse me for 'eyeing up their assets' but you dont know the full story! I made it clear we pay the mortgage. We have been for the past 15 years and will continue to pay it but my father has kindly agreed to for the Jamaat to take a slice despite him not paying towards the mortgage. And if only you knew the reason he actually signed up. And then you'd understand why I am against it. However like I said, Mas can have it. That was rightfully my brothers, his wife and their children. Forget me, I don't want money. That was my sisters' but the Jamaat are taking a huge chunk out of it. But being the devoted and blind Ahmadi my brother is, 'its for the Jamaat'. I don't eye up their assets and how dare you say such a thing. I just know when they have been had! And boy have they been had and my brother and co will pay the price. Oh well. So long as my dad gets to Heaven ok.

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    6. Subhan Allah, Sr Findings!
      May Allah reward you for what you have to deal with.
      That's religious oppression.

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    7. You go get them Findings. Allah is with you. Dirtbags.

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    8. wow just wow findings. wow just wow. are you married farhan? is findings married? wow just wow. send us an invite so we can wow just wow when anti Ahmadiyya's leading couple finally tie the knot! your children can wow just wow all their way to hell.

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    9. findings the fact that youve gone into so much detail is proof its all a lie. especially for someone in hidings. but nevermind, you been a liar since you were a child. hard habit to get rid of! x

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    10. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 13:06

      Red herrings. Nice one Cult Gal it seems to annoy them! They want you like a Dog wants a Bone!

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    11. that is a disgusting thing to say.

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  23. @ Findings worry about your akhira... you are now part of 72.

    Findings you said "I only follow one man- Holy Prophet SAAWS.
    Hellbound? Say it again...."

    But the Holy Prophet Himself (SAW) said that 72 are hell bound.

    I don't see the Holy Prophet (SAW): 72 Sects will be hell bound, 1 sect will be saved and "Findings" will be following me.

    Sorry but you are deluded if you think you are saved because now you are part of the 72 hell bound.

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    1. LOL. You really love this 73 hadith. Please give us a break down and count down the 72 sects. Post it underneath please. Thanks. Also make sure you include the Lahori. Tichee Tichee just told me that Ahmadiyya was 72 and actually Lahore Ahmadiyya was 73!!! Ohhhh SHAME!!! Lol. What a joke.

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    2. Lahore Ahmadiyya Zindabad. Im gonna campaign on there behalf, it sure is better than your Qadiani version! Some puppet Khalifa and a bunch of thugs. Lovely!

      Whats the name of the head of Lahore Ahmadiyya? Lets campaign together to get rid of Mas!

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    3. Oh and before the Jamaat take that as a death threat and call the police (they love crying to the authorities) I would hereby like to declare that by 'get rid of mas' I meant to get him out of his made up post and to stand down.

      In my dreams buddy, said Nina Wadia in Goodness Gracious Me. (dreams do come true sometimes though)

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  24. @ Findings Iblis 07:57

    According to you non Ahmadi Muslims - we Ahmadis are not Muslims.

    The 73 sect hadith is a sahih hadith, so the onus to prove disprove, deatail, summraies, breakdown of sects etc etc is down to you.

    Anyone genuinely interested in the list of 72, I am quite sure it can be found in a book called Mahzer Nama.

    Shahabe Saqib

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  25. @ Findings 07:53 AM

    You can have all the evidence, signs whatever but your case is best described as follows by Holy Quran 6:110

    "And they swear their strongest oaths by Allah that if there came to them a Sign, they would surely believe therein. Say, ‘Surely, Signs are with Allah. But what should make you understand that when the Signs come, they will not believe?"

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  26. @Findings

    Getting back to the wassiyat part of the blog, lol
    I read somewhere that even the haq mehr will be deducted as part of wassiyat, surely that is not right!

    I was speaking to my spouse and the subject of wassiyat came up, we found out that parents have even signed children to wassiyat in Germany, one particular ahmadi was so proud that all is kids are moosis now and we have been so blessed, I think signing kids into this scheme is so wrong.

    So glad I am not part of this cult.

    And before you ahmadis start complaining about it's always about money with us, far from the truth, how dare you accuse other Muslims are not generous, obviously you do not take in interest that Muslims do good work too, yes there are a few who abuse Islam but that is a minority but ahmadis just don't want to know the good Muslims exist and in many instances I they have been better to me than ahmadis ever were.

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  27. findings
    Go ask those for the break down of 72 sect who declared this one sect out of ummah and called the themselves 72 sects

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    1. "They went as far as to publish this ludicrous lists of the “72 sects”, many of whom have not even existed in hundreds of years, but somehow allegedly came back into existence, managed to unify, all condemn Ahmadiyya, and then went back into non-existence. Convenient."

      http://thecult.info/blog/2012/01/18/ahmadiyya-and-the-era-of-sectarianism/

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    2. Lol aww they took the time out to count to 73!! lol. Imagine the shock,horror if they found out they came in at 72!!

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    3. because I hear the lahoris are number 73 :P

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  28. Some of the non-ahmadis need to understand insulting us isn't going to help. Saying stuff like 'psychiatrist' and 'brainwashed' and other insults.

    I know I wrote 'forget about zakat' and 'chanda comes first,prayer comes second' that was a part of a joke. Most normal ahmadis know THAT PRAYER IS MORE IMPORTANT ZAKAT IS MORE IMPORTANT...Most ahmadis treat the khalifa way too well!!!! However stop and think, nearly all don't INTEND to associate him with god. Most normal ahmadis know that they don't to to heaven for being a moosi.....

    Stop insulting our intelligence, its our leaders who are stupid.

    WE just want to be Muslim, and it hurts us so much, as we realise MGA did bring changes. IT KILLS to think that we might not be Muslims.

    So cut the ahmadis some slack.... How would you feel! and don't say ahhh 'your second khalifa pervert said any non ahmadi is not Muslim' yes he said that but MOST ahmadis don't believe it. I was never told this. A lot of us are GOOD people...WHO LOVE ALLAH SO MUCH Were not all Raf Hayat... PLEASE STOP

    We've had it tough maybe you should learn forgive and forget the painful ranting of ahmadis instead of fighting back harshly...... Especially if you believe your on the right path..

    AhmadiyyaParadox

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    1. aww poor bubba is doubting his religion. go join the mullahs we dont need you in our jam'aat. you love allah so much that you are here insulting his khalifa? grow up kiddo and stop falling in love with cult girl. ahmadiyyat is the true islam and islam of the latter days. if you cant see that than piss off.

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    2. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 12:57

      You spiteful little! How can you speak to someone like this when he is only trying to find his feet? How can you degrade him for doubting? What if your comment has driven him over the edge and he no longer wants to be an Ahmadi? Would you be pleased with yourself? What if one day he becomes your Khalifah yet you mock him when his faith is at a low? For the record there is no such thing as 'Islam of the latter days' it's a made up concept that is exclusive to Ahmadiyyat. Don't confuse him and drip feed him lies that hold no weight in the Qur'an. MashAllah he is questioning may Allah guide him away from mean spirited people like you. You are a nasty person with no sympathy for the young. That's your religion all over though isn't it? To bully.

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    3. You have a point Ahmadiyya Paradox. Ahmadis dont stop with the Mullah insults though. lol.

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  29. @ Farhan Mar 7, 2012 08:08 AM

    Thats is why it is called "WASSIYAT" or "WILL"
    The benefactors wills (obvioulsy before he/she dies) that they wish to donate 1/10 of their assets to Jamaat.

    How can any child in their right mind (not incl. Findigs) cry about the wishes of the decesed parent? Any respectful and decent child (not incl. Findings) would honour their parents wishes and obligations)

    Got it Farhan?

    Correct me if I am wrong (I am new here) are you the American guy posting videos on youtube?

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  30. findings especially for you
    http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/2009/04/29/72-sects/

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  31. utterly hilarious findings. your the one whose bitter about what amir did to your relative (see an early post of yours where you said that he had done something to a relative of yours and you would get him back) this was a loss of position obviously as amir and co cant do anything else against anyone! and thats why youve done the hate blog. all this anti ahmadi stuff is secondary to your aim... and why have you been so quiet on your primary aim for the last 2 months?

    bring back the hate, your mind games dont work on us!

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    1. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 13:01

      Frustrated it seems. You want your gossip but then you hound her for giving it to you! Your Amir is a evil, nasty and bent. He does not even deserve the title. Findings is doing what someone should have done years ago and that is expose them for what they really are. Don't shoot the messenger. It is hilarious that you can't distinguish between 'hate' and 'exposure'. Look them up.

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  32. Is Raf a Moosi ?

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    1. Raf my friend is A LOT of things and is able to do a lot of things too ;)

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    1. i was under the impression that one could leave upto 1/3rd to charity islamically. Thats what all Islamic lawyers say on their websites when drawing up a will

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    2. @ Anonymous 03:10 pm

      Assalamo Alikum,

      That is correct, under Islamic Law you can choose to leave no more than 1/3rd to a non related third party - and most Ahmadi moosies only pledge to leave 1/10 - so well within Islamic laws.

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  34. Deleted several of my comments because I realized I made a mistake in them!

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    1. LOL @ Farhan

      You seem to have a habit of doing that don't worry brother! May Allah show you the right path and lead you to the CORRECT path.

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    2. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 12:51

      He made a mistake so why do you laugh at him when he stands corrected? True Muslim with Love4All hey?

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    3. I find it funny because he has to delete his comments every time he flops. I got plenty of love for Farhan as it goes. Just because his comment made my giggle makes me a bad Muslim? Me and him go way back so don't judge my truthfulness or love for all.

      What's will all this coming out of the closet/cupboard business going on anyway? You know what you sound....

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    4. Yeah. He/She sounds like someone who can't openly say they are Muslim because of the sick nature of their parents religion!

      METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING. :)

      I Love Metaphors.

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  35. @ Farhan 09:31

    Why don't you unreservedly apologise as you were convinced that Ahmadiyyat is doing something very wrong by accepting 1/10 or 1/3 from those who have pledged to give from their estate and you were deducing that Ahmadiyat is so wrong for doing so bla bla bla

    Go on be a man and apologize for your ignorance and remember this for next time, eat some humble pie tonight.

    May I also suggest you get some basic books, go for those with pictures and start there they won't be that complicated?

    Findings - surely this is so embarrassing that you have left the blog in the hands of such numpties.

    I think this warrants Farhan a nick name – Abu Jahl

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    1. Another Ex Ahmadi in the Cupboard.8 March 2012 at 12:49

      You are so rude! He made a mistake and had the common decency to admit it. He could have just removed the comments or asked Cult Girl to do it on his behalf but no, he admitted he had made an error. Show some respect for people who actually give you more respect than you and your people deserve. It takes a man to admit he is wrong but a weasle to turn his nose up at the apology and mock someone. Alhamdolillah I am a Muslim now and thank Allah for that. I can call good people like Farhan my brother and boy am I glad it's not people like you anymore.

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  36. @ Farhan Abu Jahl, 09:31 PM

    WHERE IS THE APLOLGY? You think this is a joke? you are trying to convince people that Ahmadiyyat, the saved sect is dodgy and thus trying to deceive people WHEN YOU CLEARLY SHOW THAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE BUT IN YOUR HATRID FOR AHMADIYYAT YOU WILL JUST SAY ANYTHING.

    @ Ex Ahmadi Cupboard freak

    Farhan only deleted the comment because we proved that his analysis and ideologies have NO BASIS IN ISLAM. If he had just removed comments like Findings has edited posts HE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE STICK FOR IT.

    Cupboard freak why don't you apologize on his behalf?? Lets see you do it.

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    1. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle8 March 2012 at 23:02

      APLOLGY? A "PLOLGY SKLEP"? no wait thats polski... APLOLGY....A POLYGON??? Sorry mate cant help you with finding the APLOLGY. Oh wait did you mean APOLOGY? oh so that was a MISTAKE was it? LOL@You in general.

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  37. Another mistake you have not yet realized is by leaving ahmmadiyyat May ALLAH show you the way and make you realize that before it is to late

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    1. what will happen if he doesnt except?? tell me!!!

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  38. "The Will", Page 40

    20."God has made an exception in my case and the case of my wife and children. All other men and women must comply with these conditions; and whoever objects will be a hypocrite."

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    1. All prophets of Allah (swt) established examples of doing what Allah (swt) told them to do by doing it first.

      Mirza Sahib is the one & only who made an exception of himself & his family from following the divine command of Allah (swt).

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  39. At least Farhan has the decency to admit an error. Do the likes of Raffy and Nas or Shabs ever admit to making a mistake or two or three huh. NEVER, they never apologise for anything. So leave Farhan out of it and ask your arrogant leaders to apologise for their mistakes too.

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  40. "The Will", Page 41

    "Indeed He has willed that by this scheme He shall distinguish between a hypocrite and a believer."

    That makes more than 80% of Ahmadies 'hypocrites' according to Mirza Sahib's own Wahi.

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  41. "The Will", Page 41

    "“For example, it was the practice that on one would seek any kind of advice from the Holy Prophet (sa) without offering Nadhrana.”

    Any reference from Ahmadiyya Jamat regarding Mirza Sahib's claim would be appreciated.

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    1. Allah (swt) knew there will be Dajjal and Shaitan Mirza Ghulam Kadiani, who will create his own revelations, hadiths & bid'aats. For this reason Allah (swt) revealed these ayahs to Muhammad (saw) 1400 years ago so that true followers of Allah (swt) & Muhammad (saw) will be able to recognize the Dajjal.

      Allah (swt) has revealed so many Ayahs in Quran where it is clearly declared that Muhammad (saw) never ever received any material gain or reward for His message.

      1) Surah Saba - Ayah 47

      34:47 (Asad) Say: “No reward have I ever asked of you [out of anything] that is yours: my reward rests with none but God, and He is witness unto everything!”

      2) Surah Hud - Ayah 29

      11:29 (Asad) "And, O my people, no benefit do I ask of you for this [message]: my reward rests with none but God. And I shall not repulse [any of] those who have attained to faith. Verily, they [know that they] are destined to meet their Sustainer, whereas in you I see people without any awareness [of right and wrong]!

      Surah Suad - Ayah 86

      3) 38:86 (Asad) SAY [O Prophet]: “No reward whatever do I ask of you for this [message]; and I am not one of those who claim to be what they are not.

      4) Surah Ash Shura - Ayah 23

      42:23 (Asad) that [bounty] whereof God gives the glad tiding to such of His servants as attain to faith and do righteous deeds. Say [O Prophet]: “No reward do I ask of you for this [message] other than [that you should] love your fellow-men.” For, if anyone gains [the merit of] a good deed, We shall grant him through it an increase of good: and, verily, God is much-forgiving, ever responsive to gratitude. -

      Finally Allah (swt) has given us clear standard to identify Dajjal, Kazibs, Fraudsters who ask for reward from people and not to follow them.

      Surah Yasin - Ayah 21

      36:21 (Asad) FOLLOW THOSE WHO ASK NO REWARD OF YOU, AND THEMSELVES ARE RIGHTLY GUIDED!-

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  42. that is the difference between you and me who am I to judge whosoever but people like you would go to any extent and challenge Ameer, Khalifa, Nabi, And GOD (nuazobillah) if things are not to your liking ,
    this this blog all about

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    1. OH MY DAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

      You are NOT for real are you?? Out of ALL the stupid things I have read since I set up this blog, YOU have officially taken the top spot!!!!!!!!

      Astagirallah! Are you suggesting that because we question an ordinary idiot like Rafiq Hayat, we are questioning Allah??? Do you know what!! (nuazobillah)X 1000 for what you are suggesting!!! There was a young guy here yesterday who got a bit upset that Ahamdis were being called brainwashed. I think he has a point. I think the word should be reserved for this guy right here!!!

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    2. you are not talking about rafiq hayat only you stupids have not spared GODS messenger and his khalifa, one can expect anything from you,

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    3. Findings I agree with you on this!

      How exactly can you compare the likes of Rafiq Hayat and Mas being divine beings, there are gross injustices being committed in the jamaat in the hands of the ameer and khalifa and we are supposed to keep quiet.

      It seems to me that you do not understand Islam at all, this what ahmadiyyat does to you, every week the same old sermons from Mas, obey khalifa obey ameer only than you will be a believer. We are only answerable to God alone, no man.

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    4. In Islam we obey the Creator, not the creation.

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    5. what numpties equating a politician like PR guru who has no religious knowledge or morality with the Messenger of Allah SAW . All I can repeat is BRAINWASHED fool.

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  43. Surah Al-Ma'idah, Ayah 3

    "Today have I perfected your religious law for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your religion."

    Note 10 (Quran Ref: 5:3 ) By Mohammad Asad

    According to all available Traditions based on the testimony of the Prophet's contemporaries, the above passage - which sets, as it were, a seal on the message of the Qur'an - was revealed at `Arafat in the afternoon of Friday, the 9th of Dhu 'l-Hijjah, 10 H., eighty-one or eighty-two days before the death of the Prophet. No legal injunction whatsoever was revealed after this verse: and this explains the reference to God's having perfected the Faith and bestowed the full measure of His blessings upon the believers. Man’s self-surrender (islam) to God is postulated as the basis, or the basic law, of all true religion (din): This self-surrender expresses: itself not only in belief in Him but also in obedience to His commands: and this is the reason why the announcement of the completion of the Qur'anic message is placed within the context of a verse containing the last legal ordinances ever revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.(Quran Ref: 5:3 )

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    1. Mirza Sahib cancelled Jihad's Quranic order thru a wahi which nobody can reproduce in exact & original words.

      Mirza Sahib introduced a new Inheritance 'Scheme', which not only guarantees a place in heaven but also helps in differentiating between a momin & a munafiq. This alleged scheme came after 1400 years of completion of Quranic message which Allah (swt) Himself declared to be complete & perfect. By believing in this scheme Ahmadies believe that Mirza had the authority of cancelling or starting a new law which Allah (swt) NAUZUBILLAH forgot.

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  44. Surah AL-Baqarah, Ayah 180

    " IT IS ordained for you, when death approaches any of you and he is leaving behind much wealth, to make bequests in favour of his parents and [other] near of kin in accordance with what is fair: this is binding on all who are conscious of God."

    When Allah (swt) completed His message on Muhammad (saw), did He (nauzubillah) forget to mention Bahishtee Maqbara in Qadian?

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    1. Find it in there metaphorically.

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  45. AnonymousMar 8, 2012 06:43 AM

    "The Will", Page 41

    "Indeed He has willed that by this scheme He shall distinguish between a hypocrite and a believer."

    That makes more than 80% of Ahmadies 'hypocrites' according to Mirza Sahib's own Wahi.

    But he said it was voluntary! Lol. He has a cheek!

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  46. I am the one who pointed out the original error in the OP and Farhans posts. While I am not bothered about any apologies I am very surprised that these two are so illiterate about something that is on every Islamic lawyers website and common knowledge. Talk about being blinded by prejudice!!!

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    1. Ok medal goes to you. Khub Mubarakayn Jee! You have defeated Farhan and Findings!

      Oh Balle Balle nee Shavva Shavva!!! Rung Barase!! Mera pia ghar aya aur rham a jee!! Tu Jeez hein baree hein must must tu jeez hein baree hein must!

      Can you defeat this now plz? You rightly pointed out that Islamic Law sites say that 1/3 can be left to charities. Agreed but let's focus on the key word: CHARITY. Wassiyat or dedicating a portion of your estate to this scheme is not Charity but it was under divine revelation. Please confirm this and then show us Quranic evidence to support this.

      Thanks and big congratulations on your win. Balle Balle Nee Shava Shava.

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  47. Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Volume 3, Page 119

    "Doctor Mir Mohammad Ismail (brother in-law of Mirza Sahib) narrated to me (Mirza Bashir Ahmad (MA)) that Hazrat Maseeh Ma'ood never performed Hajj, never performed Ai'teekaaf, never paid Zakat, never kept Tassbih. He never paid Zakat because he never met the qualifuication of having the Nisab although my mother used to pay Zakat on her jewelery and he did not believe in doing tassbih and formal waza'if."

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    1. So Allah (swt) selected a person, who never paid Zakat, to collect 10% of people's wealth so that these ignorant people can buy a piece of land to get into heaven. Really?

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  48. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle8 March 2012 at 22:51

    take a special look at "to advance the goals of the group's leaders" This "Moosi" concept is EXTREMELY CULT LIKE.

    AFF/UCLA Wingspread Conference on Cultism in 1985:

    Cult (totalistic type): A group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing and employing unethically manipulative
    (just check the sunday scandals!) techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, etc.), designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders, to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community. (West & Langone, 1986, pp. 119-120)

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  49. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle8 March 2012 at 22:55

    Have you guys heard of the Mormons?

    Cult: Characteristics of the Mormon Church

    1. Teaching that the doctrine of the Mormon Church is reality, the doctrine is to be accepted, not understood.

    2. Reality is black and white, good and evil, spiritual world versus physical word. As an example, the Mormon Church cult is the only true church on the face of the earth.

    3. Mormon Church members are taught to feel part of an elite corps. Following and accepting church doctrine insures members eternal life and a delightful life in heaven.

    4. The Mormon Church promotes a sense of community with love and friendship, with special flattery and attention to new members

    5. Mormon Church members are manipulated through fear and guilt, fear that if they don’t practice church doctrine faithfully, that they will fail to reach the highest levels of heaven, fear that if they don’t wear their garments, that they will not be protected by God.

    6. Mormon Church members are taught that any problems that they may have are due to their own inadequacies. If they are having marital, financial or other difficult problems, it is because they are not following church doctrine, or are not praying enough. Guilt, fear and shame are present in the minds of Mormons, if they are not loyal, and fail to follow the church doctrine.

    7. Unlike non-cult organizations, Mormon Church members find it difficult to leave, when they find out that church teachings are false, or otherwise become disenchanted with the church. Terrible things may happen to them, and their family if they leave. Those who do leave, often lose their family, friends and other social contacts within the Mormon community.

    Does this sounds familiar?

    http://mormonconspiracy.com/cult.html

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  50. Big respect for Brother Farhan. You are a very inspiring and knowledgable person. You display excellent qualities - it just goes to show that you do not have an ego and are humble. Allah swt loves those qualities. Big respect.

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    1. Totally agree with you!

      Brother Farhan don't let these bullies put you off posting on here and your blog, your work is appreciated.

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  51. @ Ansari 2:55 pm

    Assalamo Alikum

    Ansari Sahib, your post is quite long so I only glanced over the points you have written re cults/mormons

    With ref to point 6, pls read below verses from Holy Quran

    (5:35) ` Believers fear God and seek ways to come closer to him and strive for his cause. So that you may prosper’

    This is not a defence of Mormons or any other cult. But rather I am curious as to why you would come here and start spewing out rubbish and not realise that you make a mockery of Islam.

    If you are not a Muslim, or just a Muslim by name and really you are an athiest then come clean and at least we can play on a level field.

    I await your response.

    Shahabe Saqib

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    1. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle9 March 2012 at 16:34

      Wa alayk
      Mr saqib
      That was an extract from the website about Mormons I did not want to misquote. So people can go and check for themselves. I think it is interesting the similarities qadianism has to mormonism. Although you only glanced you should have seen "adhering to church doctrine", which means they believe it is the church that decides how you should live your life not Allah. But I agree with you on the point that you can never really pray enough to be grateful for all Allah has given us, ask for his mercy and be obedient to him. and i am talking about salah and dua and not anything other than what is prescribed by the religion of allah. This Is to be grateful for what you have and in my case to be grateful that Allah the exalted has guided me to the Islam of muhammed saw and not MGA. I think in the case of ahmadiyyah point 6 Should be changed to " you are not paying enough" I am glad that you recognize ahmadiyyah is a cult. And all the other six points apply to ahmadiyyah and that point 6 just has to remove the "r" from "praying" or substitute it with "Chanda" for it to be relevant. Can I ask if you are a Moosi? I only debate with moosis! LOL

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    2. @ Ansari 08:34

      Ansari Sb, the essence of point 6 you wrote about Mormon in above post was that if you fail to follow the teachings commandments of the book and those in authority etc etc then expect things to go wrong. You have tried to paste this onto Ahmadi Muslims.

      Yes we Ahmadi Muslims do feel guilty when we don't stick to the teachings of Quran, Sunnah and those who have authority among us. End of.

      You know and I know and everyone who read your pathetic reply that your reply was a nasty smelling "bull tatti" and you really should not mix bull with your words as Allah has given us different holes for different purposes, thats is unless you are a Mulla.


      I take it you accept that you are an atheist.

      Wasalam

      Shahabe Saqib

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    3. Debates are silly. Especially if you go in with the intention to do so.
      -Hearts do not change in debates
      -People begin insulting eachother when when they feel threatened.
      -Goes in loops and you waste time

      Just state your point and move on with your life. This is my experience because ive debated and argued before, its always useless. A lesson I learnt, and believe me it didn't take a lot of debating for me to realise this!

      So state your point and move on, this is what I think is best approach. Try not to.insult each other uncle jeees..

      AParadox

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    4. You are right AParadox

      I have come to this conclusion too, sick and tired of debating it just goes in circles where no one is a winner, I have been through the mill about changing my views on ahmadiyyat which for me is falsehood in my heart but I been threatened, and each debate has led to major arguements on both sides so I have taken the step to step back and live only what I believe. A sad reality that we cannot discuss religion in a civil manner with ahmadis.

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    5. AParadox,
      This is called MGA style may be you did not read his books. he frequently used bad words no doubt Shahabe Saqib is a true follower of MGA.

      LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE

      pathetic

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    6. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle9 March 2012 at 19:25

      I disagree debates are great especially when people get overly emotional and start name calling. Debates generally dont change the minds of those involved but those who spectate can be influenced. Thats why I am here to help the average ahmadi who doesn't know what they really believe. I think saqib should have his own reality tv show :)
      Come shrine with me.
      ;p
      You follow what your hazoor says over Quran and sunnah so please do not claim the sunnah of muhammed (saw) your prophet is mirza and you follow his sunnah, and no they are not the same!

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    7. findings why are you allowing for this shabab to attack muslims like this? you need to protect your people too. forget them but think about your people. seriously i am disappointed in you.

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    8. LOL @ you! You want findings to defend her 'Muslim' friends lol lol lol @ you. She is the dirtiest dog in the world and you want her to defend.

      ....... actually


      ....... dogs make good defenders.


      ....... so she is worse than a dog


      ....... she is unable to defend her Islam , her People but goes to war against something she has no idea about.


      whats worse than a dog?

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    9. Ansari Uncle you seem to crop up whenever you feel like it so how r you here to 'help average ahmadis'???? lol if this is your idea of 'help'???? Look up help in the dictionary.

      Ansari I follow findings like a hawk waiting for her to trip up but the girl keeps getting back up after she has been defeated time and time and time and time and time again / help/time.

      I have seen the Jungle Book. Findings dedicates a Jungle Book. Mowghlis was my all time fav. Was he yours too??

      ANSARI?? LOL. Ansari you must know Findings personally. Tell everyone does Findings do Purdah? Oh hol' up breh! Look in the mirror and tell us! Take your Niqab off Findings and reveal yourself as Mowghlis Ansari!




      Dumb asses. Findings/Farhan/KN institute/ Mafia 2012.

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    10. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle9 March 2012 at 23:34

      Have you seen that scene in a few good men.... When the lawyer says he wants the truth.

      And then the guy in the dock says

      "You can't handle the truth"

      And then he really spills the beans. That's how I help. I expose your real hatred, venom and malformed character to your fellow ahmadis. Why is it when anyone questions your "precious" huzoor you cannot defend? You just bellow and make yourself look foolish or you cite irrelevant references completely off topic. Do you know why you do this? Because deep down you know something is VERY wrong but you are afraid to accept. All I am saying bro is think about what you believe Because it is YOU that will have to answer to Allah for yourself!! And on that day your huzoor will not be able to help you. All praise be to the lord of all that exists. I seek refuge in him against the fitna of the dajaleen.

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    11. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle9 March 2012 at 23:40

      Lol@follow findings . I hope you are talking about twitter. The laws against stalking are getting stricter so you better watch where you "follow" yuck that is so cult like you give me the creeps!! Have you got a trenchcoat by any chance? You remind me of that guy from the church of Scientology that follows the media around. LOL Seriously. You are weird.

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    12. Ansari no denial I see.

      Hello Cult Girl :)

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    13. You give me the creeps posing as some Uncle when in reality you are Cult Girl. Have you got some split personality disorder Uncle Girl? Jungle Book. LOL seriously you are weird! Weirdo.

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  52. @Shahabe Saqib

    Why are you always attacking Mullahs, that's always the same point you ahmadis make over and over again, well the fact is that the ahmadi murrabis and your khalifa have zero knowledge on Islam, maybe on ahmadiyyism but certainly not Islam, look first at yourselves before judging other Muslims and Mullahs.
    Ahmadis it is not true that Mullahs are always going on about citing hatred towards admadis, I can't speak for the Mullahs in Pakistan but most certainly not in the west at the most they will talk about the falsehood and about ahmadiyyat but it is not the hatred form as you always say it out to be, if any hatred talk is being done and that is from the ahmadis themselves, ie,hating Muslims.

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  53. Where does this will money go to ?

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    1. To charity and to Jamaat causes.

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    2. Good question, I would like to know too!

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    3. @AnonymousMar 10, 2012 01:54 AM
      To charity and to Jamaat causes.


      Well don't they get enough from chanda money?

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