Sunday, 11 March 2012

Oh Canada, Oh Checklist!



Salaams,

Since starting up my Blog, I have only focused on the UK Cult administration and UK readers, but  I often forget that there are thousands of Canadians and Americans reading! Obviously being in the UK, we are not aware of what goes on across the pond in Cult World but I hear in North America, that they are just as mad and bad!

I have visited Canada a number of times during my summer holidays from Uni (that's vacation to you North Americans), as I have a lot of relations who live in Canada. I was (un)fortunate enough to visit the Ahmadiyya Peace Village one year, and boy was that an experience I don't want to relive ever again! For those not familiar with Peace Village, it is an Ahmadi owned housing complex in Maple, Ontario. Picture the eeriness of Wisteria Lane in the opening credits, but more creepy because it's actually real. On entering Peace Village from the main road, there is a big overhead banner type thing which reads 'Ahmadiyya Peace Village' or something of the like. They have streets named after the Ahmadi 'Khalifas', have a central 'Ahmadiyya Avenue' and its mostly, if not only Ahmadis who live there. I don't quite get how the Canadian Govt. allowed for it but they do have a very strong relationship with the Canadian Govt. and have been successful in maintaining it too. Years of sucking up has served the Ahmadi Jamaat well it seems! I went for a cousin's wedding and got lumbered staying at another cousin's house, whose husband is a hard core Ahmadi and holds some kind of poxy position within the Cult administration. He used to tell me how much of a mortgage he had too! LOL! Riba in Peace Village? Vay! Their house is right opposite the prayer centre which I must say, is a pretty impressive building. It was the worst holiday in the history of my entire life to date. There were Ahmadis everywhere, walking around in their uniform Burqas and half covered heads. Their kitchen was facing opposite the prayer centre and oh gosh, the number of slimeball perverts that used to walk by and stare in through the window. Urgh. It was the longest week of my life and I left feeling so unsettled by the whole experience of being in a closed off community in Canada. It was like a Canadian version of Rabwah and a Paki version of the Truman Show.

I wonder if like in the UK, they conceal their Cult behaviour from the Canadians? I bet your bottom dollar they do!! There is no way, if these officials were aware of the internal games and cult culture, that they would come near this sicko Cult with a barge pole! Come to mention it, I have heard that the Canadian Jamaat is more relentless in their marketing and propaganda, more so  than the Rafiq Hayat led one here in the UK and it is run by men who are not the greatest of characters (I will introduce UK readers to a Canadian Cult leader at a later date insh'Allah). The Canadian Cult adminsitration of the Ahmadiyya, like its UK counterpart, also uses public expulsions and ex-communication as a means to control the common Ahmadi. This helps creates a culture of fear amongst the people. It stops people stepping out of line, the line which is blurred according to who you are and who you know but nonetheless, there is a line.

Let me draw your attention to this 'Expulsion Checklist', that was leaked sometime ago over at ahmedi.org



The gentleman mentioned in this instance was expelled because he had 'participated in a marriage against the teaching of Nizaam Jamaat.' This likely means that he attended a wedding where an Ahmadi married a non-Ahmadi, he was reported by snitches, and was expelled from the community he has known all his life as a result. Not only that, but the Vice President Khalifa Abdul Aziz has advised that his expulsion is announced in public! What a inhumane thing to do to somebody! I didn't realise Nizaam Jamaat which means 'administration', had its own teachings? Wow! Where are these teachings? Can we see the rules and regulations? Does it hold more weight than the Holy Quran, the scripture Ahmadis claim to follow? Where can members of the Canadian community get hold of a definitive guide to Nizaam Jamaat Teachings? What exactly constitutes as 'Immoral Behaviour', anyone? These should be made publicly available because after all, they should have the rules in order in clear written proof to know that they should abide by them? I didn't realise in the Quran it mentions that people can be expelled from this 'Divine Jamaat' because they attended a wedding where perhaps an Ahmadi married a Muslim? Can anyone find an example or something of the like from the Quran for me please?

What a bunch of hypocrites!! They mix with ghair-Mehrams when they throw Jamaat functions IN THE NAME OF TRUE ISLAM in Toronto, but then in the name of Nizaame Jamaat, they are expelling people from the Jamaat for mixing at a union of a man and woman? Here we have punishments and punishments that are made very public, yet they would never admit this to those on the outside. Why? What's there to be ashamed of? Would the Canadian Cult mind if this year, when I pay a visit to Canada in time for Jalsa, I stand on stage and tell their guests about this process of so called 'islah'? It is the truth after all, so I guess they wouldn't mind! This is un-Islamic but this Cult stills insists on raising the banner of 'true Islam', and complain they are being treated badly when they do this to their own people? Why are you all so blind to the hypocrisy? Fine, they want to carry on barbaric with their members, by all means, but then don't show another face to the western world!

Can you believe that this Cult has a checklist on reasons to expel people? Oh of course, they will say it is to help in the process of reformation, because going to a wedding means you are in dire need of reformation, but attending a Jamaat function with free-mixing is OK because it's a Jamaat function? Islamic code and conduct at Jamaat functions should be to the highest standards because after all, it is the True islam but when it comes to canvassing their Cult, they are happy to let that go straight out of the window! Remember, true Islam would not be hypocritical and would certainly treat it's followers with such contempt.

North Americans, from what I am told, you are a very active community and there most certainly is a treasure chest of information that is in the possession of some of you out there, without a doubt! If you are in the same boat as many of us in the UK, I suggest you start up some kind of campaign and  get it out there. I can help if you want, I have some things that may be of some use to you. A double assault from both sides of the Atlantic and it could significantly weaken their foundations, as well as their relationships with the western communities whose support they so desperately seek. Insha'Allah. Just a thought......

Oh and before I go, I would like to leave you with this! It is the funniest thing you have ever seen! Ahmadiyya Jamaat Canada, a Cult that expels and humiliates its members, broke the Guiness World Record for the world's largest human smile! Oh yes because its all Happy Days as far as these hypocrites are concerned! This smile and the Love for All, Hatred for None compliments their expulsion checklist nicely, does it not? Like chalk and cheese. Have a look at their twisted propaganda and LOL @ the commentary:


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    1. boring that your religion is fraudulent and that you are in a cult? in the time you took to insult why did you not defend? you want scandal but you seem unbothered by your religious adminsitration's malpractices? do you even care? this is why findings you should just quit. they care not for the truth. they want gossip. this is something i'm pretty sure the amj did not want getting out and it makes the whole cult look even more weird.but even the gossip they can't comprehend it has an underlying message. sad really.

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    2. as if the blog itself wasnt enough of a yawnfest, ur reply to me literally has me dizzy with sleepiness. zzzzz

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    3. ^ mature.

      you like being in a cult do you where you get told off for being a naughty boy? lol.

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    4. come on, i think it's more excting tham mas's boring speeches or the yawnfest of MTA television!!!

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  2. my dear relative you love to ramble

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    1. Do you agree with your cult? Is this justfiable? Can I just ask you have you approached her about her blog? I guess not because you haven't a monkies arse who she is. You really are a loser.

      K.

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  3. I am no longer shocked by anything this Cult does but I am shocked by one thing! In the video the man said "you are making history for the Promised Messiah alaihsalato wasalam". They have their religious priorities in order I see. What a cult.

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  4. Mr Azeem who posted the video on youtube needs to fix his 'feed' it's full of music videos and some female singer. #fail.

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  5. Disturbing, Lool I know plenty of man in my relations who married non ahmadis.

    They must top dogs in jamaat rankings 'A+' ahmadis 'naik loag'.


    AParadox.

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  6. 1. Immoral behavior
    2. Participated in un-Islamic rituals in wedding ceremonies
    3. Married to non-Ahmadi/Nikah announced by non-Ahmadi
    4. Un-ethical financial matters
    5. Non-Compliance of Qadha decision
    6. Participated in marriage against the teaching of Nizam Jamat

    I am speechless i only want to cry something like this cant be justify in true Islam. Finding you always make me sad its hard to believe me this is not a Ilahi jamat. We should say this is wrong this is my fault i am sorry Finding might be you are right i am really sorry i cant do anything for you i have no value in nizam-e-jamat they will not listen me.

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    1. Dont worry. :) I will try my best. Inshallah. You just pray Allah assists me.

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  7. ASTAGHFARUALLAH an ahmadi participated in a marriage which was against the teaching of Nizam Jamat.

    INALILAHI WAINAILAHI RAJIUN

    OH MY GOD he does not know its clearly mentioned in Quran and Ahades such participation is not allowed. TRUE ISLAM does not allow this.

    BAYGHARTO is criminal ki punishments sirf EXPELL JAHILO ISKO PHANSI DO. He deserve for only PHANSI kill him BAYGHARTO.

    taizdhar@live.com

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  8. "This likely means that he attended a wedding where an Ahmadi married a non-Ahmadi"

    What's the point of this post if you are guessing? You do not have the facts so moving swiftly on...........

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    1. It was one example but isnt the focus of the post! READ!!!!

      Address this in light of the teachings of the Quran and also in light of the hypocritical tendencies of your SICKO CULT:

      1. Immoral behavior
      2. Participated in un-Islamic rituals in wedding ceremonies
      3. Married to non-Ahmadi/Nikah announced by non-Ahmadi
      4. Un-ethical financial matters
      5. Non-Compliance of Qadha decision
      6. Participated in marriage against the teaching of Nizam Jamat

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  9. Us dirty mullah muzzies: Over 1000 years of a rich colourful history, spanned across continents, empires, the ups and the downs, diverse colours

    Ahmadiyya: Biggest human smile in the world...way to go!! Mirza is a true prophet!! lollll Did you all go to McDonalds after and got a Haram Big Mac? Sounds like fun!!

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    1. Is a Big Mac haram? What's the definiton of haram?

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    2. Anonymous @ Mar 11, 2012 03:50 PM

      You nailed it! There's nothing wrong with making a huge smiley face. I guess its kinda "cute".

      But did our Prophet PBUH come to make huge smiley faces, or to purify the hearts of men? Why are they making history of the "Promised Messiah"? Why not for the Prophet Muhammad PBUH??

      This is just another one of their publicity stunts.

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    3. Big Mac unless the meat is slaughtered in a Halal way is Haram. Period.

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    4. Do you normally write back to front?

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    5. Mad Mullah would you like to hear my KFC experience? It was rather amusing.

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    6. oh my i'm sorry ahmadis, i didn't know you were this ignorant of basic islamic law; halal meat is meat that is slaughtered from islamic principle, the animal is treated humanely, killed with a sharp blade slicing the jugular vein with the niyat so that its death is quick and as painless as possible.
      for non ahmadis, it is a known fact and i'm sure the ex ahmadis can support me, ahmadiyya do not eat halal meat. Halal is yet ANOTHER metaphor stating 'clean'. They eat meat from anywhere and everywhere...i'm pretty sure mcdonalds is not halal (actual halal, not that watered down nonsense) in canada.

      Oh apart from the smile, i forgot, MTA also! lol

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  10. i always find qadiyanis funny .... they can only make such huge fake smiles since they cant put a real one on their faces .. Poor qadiyanis ,.... i remember that German qadiyani crying for having to pay too much of Qadiyani tax ... and when he stopped they called his parents to break off connections with him .... poor guy ...

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  11. Some idiots somwtime says hiding things is act of munafiq and other times public announcement is inhumane thing. Get your head sorted out firsy. It seems you have lost the will to live. Thus far you have achieved nothing and rather made my imaan more stronger. infact when I see other brothers of mine they take you as a joker and come and see your blog for time pass. Thats what you are, a time pass.

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    1. This blog is not for Ahmdies like you. You should read MGA books and other Jamat stuff which are specially wrote for IDIOTS we dont need JAHILS who visit here, read comments and still unable to see that they are in a CULT. Please visit alislam.org and always attach with KHALAFAT.

      APNA IMAAN AUR STRONG KAR Ahmadies like you should be AMEER, PRESIDENT and QAID. JO NUQSAN TUMARI JAHILIYAT NAY KARNA HUM NAHI KAR SAKTE. No doubt GOD MAKES YOUR KHALIFA, only GOD can make such incompetent KHALIFA.

      BAYGHARTO TUM HO HE ISI QABIL APNA PAIT KAT KAR CHANDAY DO AUR KUTAY KI TARAH KAM KARO. YAHI TUMHARE OKAT HAY.

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    2. You really are a timely mess let alone time pass! You don't get it do you? If someone is punished then why announce it? Let your Cult show their anger privately why let everyone know? You Qadianis know nothing about Islam but throw the word 'Munafiq' around as if you a pioneers of Islam and the Arabic language. Read the meaning of Munafiq and know it would not apply to punishment and public humiliation. Go pass your time elsewhere why give her the satisfaction of an extra comment? Foolish child.

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  12. dear findings
    thank you for making people aware of the WORLDWIDE jummat . I expect you to publish the list of 196 countries where AHMADIYYAT is alive and kicking and discuss each country one by one
    thanks

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    1. What do you mean by "196 countries"? Its primarily three: UK, Pakistan and Canada. In the US, Chicago and Maryland have a lot of Ahmadis, but not enough to be known outside of themselves.

      Sure, they have a "presence" in 196 countries, but in some places its maybe a few dozen families. But they love to talk up their numbers and international reach.

      You really should start questioning these murabbis and what not who tell you this stuff.

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    2. She is showing your Jamaat up not giving you positive publicity! Tell me if any sane minded person ever read the documents she has posted they would ever wish to convert? Following men into hospitals who came across your temples? Trawling facebook accounts of 'slave children of Khilafat' and then writing up damning reports on their young characters, potentially harming the reputation of young women? This too on the request of a man who is a Doctor, a 'pillar of society'? Shameful. When you convert you put women on a 'suspect list' and you run background checks on them before they can attend your Glastonbury Festivals in Guildford? What about when they are dictating whether you should go to the Cinema or not, but then have a 'whiter than white' alter ego they present to the 'White' community? What about when they have carried out very intrusive investigations into the lives of youngsters, which were concluded with restraining orders and what not?

      No sane minded person would want a part of this so cut the clap trap about it helping your Jamaat because no sane minded person would come near it.

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    3. 196 countries? oh please...outside the paki/desi circle you are unheard of, or just labeled 'nutters'. ALL of the 196 countries are just paki ahmadi families who just migrated out of pakistan. A population of 100 in a country is not 'established'. what a joke! UK, Canada, US, Germany, Norway, Caribbean, South Africa, Fiji...hmm what's so common between all of them..oh right, pakis! And please, don't bring up that african nonsense..you are just like christian missionaries: bibles for food....

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  13. LOL @ Anon 02:35AM

    I wonder what Iblis will say about Indonesia?

    "Yeah big up to ma Indonesian Muslim brothers who have well and truly taken care of the Qadianis. Ma brothers in Indo land thought its best to tackle the Qadiani fitna with knives!! yeah maaan! way to go brothers!! you are all inspiration to us Muslims as you have followed the Quran and Sunnah (I think?!) and have shown the rest of us how it should be done - know what am sayin!!. The qadianis have a made a smiley face in Canda but all the Muslims brother and sisters all gona get togeter in a massive park and make a huge machete with Qadiani blood drippin - innit yeah”

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    1. LLLOL @ above! They would probably want that to happen so they can go crying to the western media that they are being persecuted! Death for them is an opportunity to sell themselves as little children being bullied by big meanies.That is why if only the Muslims of Pakistan and Indonesia realised are playing into their hands and not the other way round. They should let them be. No one is fooled by their propaganda and their theology is pure trash. If they left them alone they wouldn't have this golden ticket to cry persecution.

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    2. La ila ha illa Allah Muhammad Rasool Allah12 March 2012 at 21:43

      Is this your Islam you ignorant person? Go learn the basics of Islam and the teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) before opening your uneducated mouth. How many Kalima reciting human beings did the Holy Prophet (pbuh) kill? Condoning such vile acts in Indonesia... Perhaps the authorities need to read the hatred on this website. May Allah have Mercy on you on the Day of Judgement because you will be begging Him for forgiveness of your mischief.

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    3. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING THE AUTHORITIES HERE I BEG OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! plzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!

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  14. @Findings

    I read somewhere that some Canadian school children wanted to make the biggest smiley but Ahmadis actually decided to out do those children first,hence they did this stunt!

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    1. Lol thats as good as stealing a kids pocket money! Mind you they do demand Chanda off kids so I guess its the same thing too! Poor kids.... what Scrooges!

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  15. On a serious note Cult Girl my Sister in Islam- you might not see it yet and it might be that you will never realise what you are doing but you really are pearl of our modern Ummah. You are covering remarkable ground and I am smiling for ear to ear to see a sister doing this Ummah such a service by really showing the Munafiqeen's Poker Face as a Joker Face. Qadianis are very insigficant no matter how loud they sing and how flambouyant they dance about the Ummah persecuting them beyond Pakistan, they are of no importance nor of any real threat. I am a British Pakistani and I know of them only because of the jokes my father's generation have at their expense. 'You need a toilet plunger, call a Qadiani'. 'You need a toilet cleaner, Call a Qadiani so they can do pooja for Mirza'. 'Dial the Qadiani Temple for a Shit Cleaner'. The sort of thing although crude, it is no less than he deserves. A friend mentioned to me this Blog when we saw a Bus drive by us advertising their group and he has a Qadiani friend who is in the process of leaning Islam. That said, they are a thorn in the side of Islam and the very fact you are in your very own unique and in your very own special way trying within the means you have to try and take this thorn out, you are helping the ENTIRE Ummah. They will always exist but remember you are helping the Ummah by exposing lies against our religion and if people come to Islam as a result, it is you that has played a part in strengthening the Ummah. You will never realise this and you may even give up but on behalf of the Ummah of Our Beloved Master, the Holy Prophet (Saw) I would like to extend gratitude and appreciation for your work. You have made my day and will be in all my prayers for the day and many more to come. May Allah help you and make your mission easy and may you find a stable Islamic household where you can live in the comfort of knowing Allah is very close by. You will never realise because you are confined within a tight community but there is a world out there who love you but you will never know it. There are people praying for you when they pray for those struggling for the Ummah and you are one of them. Imagine that :-) I am very happy brother of yours in Islam. You keep going because this life is an illusion and is all about Islam. Dont you be put off by the spiteful and sarki comments made by the Qadianis. You do your bit and you will reap the rewards on the Day Allah's Angels will bring your Book of Deeeds before Him. May you see the gates of Janah open for you and may your family join you. These chaps like Raf, Mase and Nas are enemies of Allah and you are fighting them in your own way. You are a Muslimah and we love you and are so proud of you!

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    1. FINDINGS LOVE SHOVE12 March 2012 at 15:27

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    2. Whoever wrote the above is one sad case individual.

      For help please call 0800-get-a-life.

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    3. You mock the Battle of Badr like that but say you are 'True Muslims'?

      Disgusted. May Allah give you all sabr to deal with these jahil people. I am lost for words.

      May Allah reward you all for your work in helping to bring the genuine seekers of the truth to the light. May Allah protect the innocent Qadianis from people like that ^

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    4. I'm so glad I'm not an Ahmadi anymore. This is one of the things I found so disgusting when I was still an Ahmadi. They will degrade anything and I mean absolutely ANYTHING!! from our learned scholars to the Prophet SAW to defend their sick Profit Mirza Qadiani and their Cult. Astaghfirullah.

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    5. I am sorry if this has caused offence. It has been deleted.

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    6. @ ahmadis your problem is with me so don't drag others into it. you have plenty to say about me and let it stop there.

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  16. @ Mad Mullah 7:52 AM

    Jzks! Tnaks for the kind words, everything will be OK Inshallah.

    I was thinking to take this to the next level, will you and like minded individuals be able to make some donations to the cause? Let me know.

    Findings (not logged in)

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    1. ^ Above was NOT me. Idiot.

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    2. I dont take donations or any money or anything.

      However I am open to Chanda. Please give it to me. You might as well give it to me instead of Mas, I could pay off the mortgage and my student loan! Come on...donate Mr!!! Gimme Gimme Gimme your chanda!! findings Chanda Aam. LOL.

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  17. FINDINGS LOVE SHOVE12 March 2012 at 15:43

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    1. So to summarize you are saying that behind all this are Shahid Kamal, A K Sheikh, Akbar + Khatmay Nabuwat lot.

      What is the evidence?

      And where do you fit N, M and the 2 other girls? what is their role?

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    2. Can you please tell us where it is written in Quran and Hadith that Muslims who accept the Masih and Mahdi are not allowed to marry Muslims who don't. Muslims men are allowe dto marry Christian and Jews but not other Muslims because they didn't accept the Mahdi? Please provide proofs from Quran and Sunnah.

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    3. would you allow your sister or daughter to marry a jew ,
      you stupids are killing women for honor and then talk about Holy Quran

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    4. No, but men are allowed to marry Jewish women. Why is an Ahmadi man not allowed to marry a Muslim, Christian or Jewish woman?

      And yawn at your cheap distraction attempt. Evidence from Quran and Hadith please.

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    5. this is the most distasteful comment i have read on this blog so far. very disrespectful. it actually cut me deep to see the way this wahayat ahmadi has insulted not only the sister of this blog, her muslim brothers and an elderly gentleman but most importantly The Noble Prophet (Saws). the battle of badr was the battle the muslims and the Noble Prophet (saws) risked their lives for the cause of Islam and you are mocking it? may Allah have mercy on you. terrible terrible thing to say.

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    6. to those that are working endlessly to bring these wahayat ahmadis on to the path of Allah i salute you and you have my full support. the way this girl has been abused to try and help you, the way you mock the brothers who are dedicating so much time for you and this is how you treat them?

      the sister of this blog is someone's daughter, someone's sister and will be someone's wife one day. she is the daughter of an ahmadi man, does that not mean anything to you? religion to one side have some respect for her as a woman in humanity. she is doing this to expose these wahayat animals and she brings proof but you speak to her in a sexually degrading manner and talk about this kind of filth to her?

      imagine if her husband was to read the way you people are speaking to her how much it would hurt him. imagine her children having to witness this when she is fighting your corner for your rights? she is trying to help you. she is trying to show you the corruption but you sexually degrade her like she is some piece of meat. one day when you on your death bed you will remember all these brave people who tried to help you.

      is this what love for all teaches you? the sister of this site doesn't claim to love anybody but you wahayat ahmadis do. love for all means turn the other cheek. is this your idea of love? sexually degrading a woman? forget your men of Allah for one moment and that she is humiliating them but is this how you treat women?

      sister you have taken a lot of abuse for the cause. may Allah give you everything you desire. Ameen.

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    7. respectable brothers who have shown you nothing but respect and patience dealing with you and you talk about them like this? associating them to the sister of this site alluding that they are in pre marital relations and mocking marriage like this?

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    8. I apologise to everyone named in that vile post. My apologies to all the brothers mentioned and a special apology to the kind Brother who had to witness that. I hadnt realised that it had been approved. You disgusting Ahmadi really are a nasty piece of work. Where is your Love4All????? Sicko.

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    9. well you never confirmed your sex it is still a mystery isnt it

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    10. You didn't realise it had been approved? It was up since the morning.

      Liar liar pants on fire you just thought it was funny because your sense of humour has become dry lately.

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    11. You seem to stalk me a lot so at least do it properly! You will know from my posts I work in an environment where internet is heavily restricted. I have others monitoring for me. They shouldn't have passed it but nvm.

      My humour lol.

      What about the sex humour of your perverted disgusting messiah who claims to be Allah's messenger? Go on...lets have it!

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    12. TO THE PERSON WHO SAID THIS:

      So to summarize you are saying that behind all this are Shahid Kamal, A K Sheikh, Akbar + Khatmay Nabuwat lot.

      What is the evidence?

      And where do you fit N, M and the 2 other girls? what is their role?

      AGAIN YOU PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE STIRRING AND DRAGGING THE NAMES OF INNOCENT WOMEN INTO IT. PLEASE STOP IT THEY ARE YOUR WOMEN!!!! AND GET WITH THE PROGRAMME, THE IDIOT DISGUSTING AHMADI WHO POSTED THAT WAS TAKING THE MICK. THIS IS MY WORK AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE BROTHERS YOU HAVE MENTIONED. PERIOD.

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    13. @Findings Mar 12, 2012 04:51 PM

      So you think you are being stalked because I read the comments on this blog ? Get over yourself hunz. You WISH people stalked you in the fantasy world you live in.

      So how do you find the time to allow comments today in that busy working environment. Do they not restrict the use of your smartphone?

      No idea who wrote above but have you warned these innocent victims N and M? Do they know? Y or N?

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    14. Funny you mention that as I WFH sometimes but yesterday (monday) gotta go get into the dungeon. pools etc.

      Today I WFH although its more CFH than WFH. Benefit of my work I guess to an extent.

      Have I warned N and M? LOL should I? If you Ahmadis didnt backstab your fellow Ahmadis I wouldnt have to would I?

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    15. Lol @ Hunz.

      Seriously. Lol. Ok BABES.

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    16. No idea who is back stabbing who but forget N & M, I'm hearing stories about A M.

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    17. You can add babes to the already long ass list of pleasant names you have given me on this blog.

      Why does everyone keep saying they like me though.

      Maybe it's my humour.

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    18. I don't see anything worthy of a chuckle but hey what do I know, my humour is dry! Have you read what I posted last night said yet? Do comment and tell us who it is!

      lol @ nm and am and cc and pp and lbw and abr and ps.

      seriously. lol. its no one you know but i know all of you. cough cough tajneed.

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    19. No idea who is back stabbing who but forget N & M, I'm hearing stories about A M.

      no backstabbing eh? lovely ahmadis i dont know why i ever gave up on the jamaat.

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    20. I am masroor lol. ;)

      wouldnt that be funny if masroor was part of this all and had asked me to do it for him to get rid of raf/nas.

      lol. silly idea.

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    21. What makes you think it's Ahmadis back stabbing each other? Anyway I have to admit ladies just lurv to gossip! Big up all the Aunties ji's following this blog.

      "Have you read what I posted last night said yet? Do comment and tell us who it is!"

      No idea what you are referring to. I am not your stalker, no seriously get over it. I do not read your every word.

      As for who you are, this is not why I am here. I have never even questioned you about it have I? I'm here to learn and see why Ahmadiyyat exists and why it will always exist. Good to know you know all of us. Us Ahmadis are just one big family hey! All Punjabi according to you too.

      Have you got your suit ready for the 31st?

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    22. Oh the answer must be B. Am I right do I get to move onto the next post, where is it?

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  18. @FINDING LOVE SHOVE

    I have a suggestion for you although its not my standard to talk a none sense like you. I carefully read your post and i am sure you are the best candidate for next KHALIFA.

    You have BAGHAIRTI, BAYSHARMI, JAHALAT and so on and these are all essential qualities for a Khalifa. I will suggest you KHALAFAT SE WABASTA RAHO ISI TARHA JAHALAT MAIN TARAQE KARO YAQENAN KHALIFA KHUDA BANATA HAY AUR WOH TUMHEN ZAROR CHANCE DAY GA JAMAT KA MAZEED BAIRAGHARQ KAY LEAY.

    BAYGHARTO IS THIS YOUR TRUE ISLAM???????????

    taizdhar@live.com

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  19. quran allows to marry ahle kitaab is there any mention of gender .

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  20. AnonymousMar 12, 2012 10:32 AM

    who is yawning or sleeping come on answer ,does Holy Quran mentions gender?

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    1. That's a separate question. The question here was why Ahmadis (men and women) are not allowed to marry Mulims who haven't accepted the Mahdi. Did Allah SWT forgot to tell us that they will not be allowed to marry other Muslims who haven't accepted the Mahdi (nauzubillah)? Remember Islam was completed 1400 years ago. Yet there is nothing in Quran and Hadith to suggest that Muslims are not allowed to marry other Muslims who have not accepted the Mahdi. Muslims are allowed to marry Christians who haven't even accepted the Prophet SAW and even Jews who didn't accept the Masih 2000 years ago. So please explain this rule of Ahmadiyya "the true Islam" in light of Quran an Hadith. If you can't you will habe to accept that it's a bidah and agains tthe law of Allah SWT. And then you will have to accept that Ahmadiyya is not Islam. We can't make up our own rules and call it Islam.

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    2. Well said, but some how I don't think you will get an answer from ahmadis.

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  21. Dear Findings I live in PV........ I believe Muhammad to be last prophet of God. I also would like to clarify that this POST IS EXTREMELY BIASED. She made it sound like PV is a closed neighborhood- when nothing could be further from the truth. THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE HERE BECOME CLOSED IS AT THE MOSQUE- and believe me that goes for just about any religion. Findings this post seriously rattled by confidence in you along with posting pictures of innocent children. . . I'm just saying. And i find it funny that so many muslim youths in UK have to turn to this blog about "ahmadiyyat" to re-affirm their own faith in whatever they were born to believe. sunni, shia, w.e....... funny world we live in. Sad too.. These are the end times.... as CLEARLY the level of disbelief is rampant on EVERY SIDE.SADLY. The mockery/slander and ill-advised Dawa on this blog is testament to that.

    Like YO you gotta be kidding me if you dont REALIZE that first generation Sunnis arent staying married, or slowly marrying outside of their religion and losing faith, or experimenting with drugs/alcohol.... the "Muslim" fallout is beyond SECTss! N all you close-minded Sectarian guided thinkers are contributing to the problem by advocating such narrow/ignorant point of views.

    Honestly, I hope you are caught because now you have deserved it. I know you hold vendettas against certain elements in "ahmadiyyat" and you justify youre behaviour by saying "they do this" "oh they do that though" .... well guess what ..... each man pay for HIS OWN crime regardless.

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    1. @ Anon

      Very well written

      drop me an email shahabesaqib@hotmail.co.uk

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    2. yeah drop him an email. you are not allowed to post here again you have already been told. so email him if anyone wants to discuss with him.

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    3. Thanks for your post.

      1) That was my general observation of PV having stayed there for a week. I have never ever ever seen a religious community anywhere in the world as far as I have travelled (and I have alhamdulillah travelled a lot) that has its own segregated tiny town/ village. Ahmadis not only have this in Canada but also Pakistan. It is Ahmadis that do this. It is so creepy. In London there is also Islamabad but thats a different set up. PV is the Truman show. lol.

      Here in London for EG in West London it is predominantly Muslims of Somali/Arab origin. In East London it is predominantly Bangladeshis / Pakistanis. In North it is predominantly Jewish. South it is a mixture of everything. Nothing is closed off. People intergrate not try and segregate. Who and what do the Ahmadis think they are setting up their own hub like that? Chosen Ones :P

      Sunnis are messed up big time arent they?Shame your fake ass good for nothing messiah had no impact whatsoever as to help revive Islam amongst the Muslims. thats what he said he had come for but he went and made his own sect/religion. Your Messiah was meant to revive Islam but he failed didnt he?!?!?! LOL. Such was his pathetic impact. Maybe Zahid Ali Khan will do a better job? Lets see...

      The point of this post wasnt to discuss peace hell read hell village it was to point out the checklist. have anything to say??? thought not.

      You want me to get caught? I dont think you do.... lol. ;)

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    4. Sunnis in trouble? Are you ahmadis blind? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world...and when whitey converts we don't parade them around like you do...and they dont act like if they belong in a mental ward!
      Yeah we have problems but that's the difference between a religion and a cult. Get out of the cult mentality!

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  22. AnonymousMar 12, 2012 05:57 PM
    That's a separate question.

    No that is not aseperate issue at all. THAT IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE .
    when it comes to you r disliking you do what ever you feel like and if somebody stops you from doing that you start MOANING
    mY QUESTION REMAINS WOULD YOU ALLOW YOUR SISTER OR DAUGHTER TO MARRY JEW AND YOU SAID A BIG NO . WHY?????????? PROOVE IT IN THE LIGHT OF HOLY QURAN THAT MUSLIM MEN ARE ALLOWED BUT WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED

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    1. How is gender relevant to this question? Ahmadi men are not allowed to marry Muslims, Christians and Jews either. Stop delaying and just answer the question. Please.

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    2. No, you got it wrong! Ahmadi-men ARE allowed to marry non-ahmadi women, ahmadi-women are not. But it's not of importance anyway as we are not considered as muslims, so no non-ahmadi maulana will recite the nikah.
      Remember,even some sunni people opposed Benazir Bhuttos marriage to Zardari as he is shia and in their eyes their marriage was invalid....

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  23. AnonymousMar 13, 2012 04:22 AM

    the answer lies with in your question if you have slightest of common sense.
    And gender is related, Do you follow Holy Quran if yes then answer the question if not then never ask any one to bring proof from Holy Quran as you dont follow it

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    1. Oh I see what you are doing. This is a typical Ahmadi trait. Never give a straight answer, answer a question with a question, remain ambiguous, complicate the issue so that you can claim intellectual superiority etc. The only thing I can conclude from this is that you know how unislamic Ahmadiyyas rules are. Thank you for proving my point.

      I invite you to leave false religion of Ahmadiyya and accept Islam as taught by the Holy Prophet SAW.

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  24. thanks for the compliments that is what you unfortunate helpless non ahmadis are taught and brain washed with ,
    dont get into discussion with them dont even go near them they are MAGICIANS,
    and not only intellectual superiority as you mentioned but religious as well

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  25. omg i didnt think you knew about canada :) ive talked to farhan about you so much lol....you have struck gold in my heart <3 and im not being sarcastic, omg you need to come to the jalsa canada this year!!! that would be epic!!!! pls you have to come <3

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  26. ENVIRONMENT MOLDS PEOPLE
    Stick to pointing out theological issues with ahmadiiyyat - cause this stuff is weak as hell.

    Theres so many-sunni dominated neighbourhoods of the size of Peace Village and bigger, except most of them lack a mosque as attractive or any organized community making them less powerful than PV. Please dont be ignorant to that fact. . . I mean this whole "cult" crap is weak as hell. STICK TO THEOLOGICAL ISSUES TRUST

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  27. No that is not aseperate issue at all. THAT IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE .
    when it comes to you r disliking you do what ever you feel like and if somebody stops you from doing that you start MOANING
    mY QUESTION REMAINS WOULD YOU ALLOW YOUR SISTER OR DAUGHTER TO MARRY JEW AND YOU SAID A BIG NO . WHY?????????? PROOVE IT IN THE LIGHT OF HOLY QURAN THAT MUSLIM MEN ARE ALLOWED BUT WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED

    still waiting for an answer

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    1. I am a bit confused to this last post - are you asking for evidence from the Islamic textual sources to prove Muslim sisters are only allowed to marry Muslim men?

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    2. Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an:

      “And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe... And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe..." (Surah Al-Baqara)

      This verse prohibits marrying outside of Islam as a general ruling, for both men and women.
      Allah (swt) then later sends down revelation (one of the very last verses to be revealed in the Qur'an during the prophet (saw)'s Hajj):

      "Lawful to marry are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture before your time when you have given their due Mahr (dowry)..." (Surah Al-Ma'ida)

      This verse is specific for males as is clear from the text (i.e. the mention of women from the believers) and then also it mentions about the 'Mehr' which is only given from the Muslim male

      And Allah (swt) knows best

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  28. the question is not about mushriq but about ahle kitaab,

    Are muslims allowed to marry Ahle kitaab

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    1. It is permissible for male Muslims to marry Christians and Jewish women (as long as they are chaste) because of the verse mentioned in Surah Al-Maida:

      "Lawful to marry are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture before your time when you have given their due Mahr (dowry)..." (Surah Al-Ma'ida)

      And Allah (swt) knows best

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  29. Q- the question is not about mushriq but about ahle kitaab, Are muslims allowed to marry Ahle kitaab

    A-
    Short Answer:-
    YOU ARE MENTAL CASE

    Detail Answer:-
    http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/005/005-005.htm visit here

    Hazrat Safiya was the Jewish wife of Muhammad SAW. Is it not enough?

    BAYGHARTO In simple words there is only one restriction for a Muslim Man that Woman must believe on atleast one KITAB it is very clear in Islam. You people dont want to learn and I dont want to waste my time because I know you are mental case if anyone is serious to learn google.com is enough

    BAYGHARTO I am not surprised why you JAHIL unable to understand simple things because I know how cults work and how follower of cult think. Your cult leaders are using well know techniques and you people think exactly like a cult member.

    BAYGHARTO Trust me Ahmediyat is a great example of CULT it is a science not religion.

    BAYGHARTO Stop reading about Islam and Ahmediyat only read about cults and identify your psychological disorders. This is a good site to start http://www.howcultswork.com

    taizdhar@live.com

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  30. that is what I wanted to hear from you though it took a while

    So that is exactly with Ahmadis men are allowed to marry outside ahmadis

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  31. Salaam all

    Just to clarify - Safiya (ra) was a Jew, but when the prophet (saw) married her, she became Muslim. The prophet (saw) never had a Jewish wife...

    As for Maria (ra) - the coptic slave who was sent to the prophet (saw) from the King of Efypt - and who had Ibraheem (ra) the prophets (saw) son - again, there is a slight difference of opinion as to if she became Muslim or not - however, the ruling regaring her is slightly different as she was a slave-girl, not someone who he actually married.

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  32. taizdhar@live.com

    I hope you got the answer and your taizdhar is not sticking in to your own ??????

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    1. I have noted Abu Musa point about Hazrat Safiya I will check it later, now tell me how you translate chapter 5 verse 5.

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    2. الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلُّ لَّهُمْ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ وَلاَ مُتَّخِذِي أَخْدَانٍ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِالإِيمَانِ فَقَدْ حَبِطَ عَمَلُهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ

      The first part of the verse talks about lawful food from the 'Ahl Al-Kitaab'. The second part of the ayah (which I will give extracts for) is talking about who is lawful in marriage. I will give you edits inshaAllah - otherwise the post will become very long, but if you want the whole verse, I am sure you can check it inshaAllah

      Famous translations give this verse as:

      Muhamad Pikhtal:
      ...And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions ...

      Muhamad Asad:
      ... And [lawful to you are], in wedlock, women from among those who believe [in this divine writ], and, in wedlock, women from among those who have been vouchsafed revelation before your time - provided that you give them their dowers...

      Yusuf Ali:
      ...(Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers...

      Wa Allahu a'lam

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  33. Translated by Taqi Usmani:
    This day, good things have been made lawful for you. The food of the people of the Book is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them, and good women from among believers, and good women from among those who were given the Book before you, provided you give them their dowers, binding yourself in marriage, neither going for lust, nor having paramours. Whoever rejects Faith, his effort will go to waste and, in the Hereafter, he will be among the losers.‎

    Translated By Pikhtal:
    This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

    Translated By Shakir:
    This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

    Translated By Yousaf Ali:
    This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

    I also checked Jalindhari, Mahmood ul Hassan, Jonaghari and few other urdu translations, All translation are same. Do you have different translation.

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    1. To be honest - I am not sure why I was asked about the translation - nor as to the question about Muslim men marrying outside of Muslims as this is a part of the religion that has been established and understood since the time of the prophet (saw).

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