Monday, 9 January 2012

Brother Rasheed Sarpong..not your regular revert!!



Please take 37 minutes and 27 seconds of your time to watch this latest video entry at the cult.info blog. Its super duper inspiring and filled my heart with joy! It is a one-on-one talk between Shahid Ahmad (no introduction necessary) and his old friend, a one time Qadiani, who has reverted to Islam! SubhanAllah!!! One day insha'Allah there will be more brothers (and hopefully sisters) just like brothers Rasheed and Shahid who will speak out about their new found beliefs and their new lives outside of the Cult! 

There is one point in this video I can relate to in particular, and thats where he mentions that this is no 'regular reversion'. As a revert myself, I never once had to be convinced of the oneness of Allah, or be convinced of the truthfulness of his FINAL/LAST Messenger, Hadrat Muhammad SAAWS. It went deeper than that; I had to shake off the fraud of Ahmadiyya and dust off the cobwebs and find THE TRUE ISLAM, the ONE ISLAM, the ORIGINAL ISLAM! Its nice to know that others were in the same boat too! There is also a point where he mentions about not mingling with Ahmadis, so not to be a hypocrite and also, as its not fair on them to meet them as if you were one. FOOD FOR THOUGHT??? Hmmmmm....

It's really something extraordinary, that a small comment from someone in a finance meeting (Br.Rasheed was a Qaid once upon a time) that "Zakat isn't that important" is what led him to question his entire faith and rocked his belief system, embedded into him from childhood! This surely proves that Hidayat is from Allah alone! This is truly a blessing from Allah! Like Br.Rasheed, it also took something very small that was to push me towards Islam, Alhamdulillah. It wasn't actually a comment made by anyone as such, I just couldn't get my head around this total and utter filth (sorry to lower the tone, Mirza Ghulam said it, not me):

Thus immersion in remembrance of Allah which is also called khusoo is similar to that state of sperm when it gets a form of ejaculation and drops into female genitals and there is no doubt it is a time of great ecstasy in physical state. However, just falling of that drop of semen inwards does not necessitate a relationship between womb and that sperm so that it is attracted toward the womb. Thus, similarly, spiritual enthusiasm and state of khushoo does not necessitate that such a person will have connection with the kind Lord and will be attracted to Him. Rather as the sperm gets into vulva of a whore through adultery then the person dropping the sperm gets the same delight as he gets with his wife. Thus the state of khushoo and enthusiasm of idol worshipers and creation worshipers is similar to that of adulterers. That is, khushoo of pagans and of the people who remember God for worldly reasons is similar to that sperm which goes into internal genitals of prostitute women and creates delight. (Braheen Ahmadiyya Vol.5 192)

I was told that for questioning it, my mind was dirty and that Mirza Ghulam was trying to reach out to a wider audience, including those who had sex on the brains. Seriously? Khushoo' is like an orgasm? Its like sperm and like vaginal secretions? How could this delusional maniac even compare the humbleness that one stands before Allah to sperm, fluids, and orgasm and harlotry? I never quite managed to stomach the desperate excuses and well, the rest is history as they say!

Have a watch in your lunch break today! Doesn't seem to work on my phone, you guys might have better luck if not, try from your PC! I would ask questioning Ahmadis to make a special effort to watch this. There are some really good points in there that MUST be considered. Please take the time out to view this video, as you may just find another piece of the jigsaw that you have been searching for, insha'Allah.


84 comments:

  1. another one bites the dust.

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  2. So happy to see that Brother Rasheed has embraced Islam.

    That is why I always stress do your research about this cult, that is what I did, I had to go through learning history, politics, looking at Hadiths and Holy Quran to come to the conclusion that ahmadiyyat is false here.

    Allah (swt) always guides for those who want to know the truth.

    S4T

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  3. The above verse taken from Braheen Amadiyya Vol 5 192 I found the most disturbing, I did not need to question it (I was too embarrased to) but Allah (swt) has given us a brain to use and I know that no one with this kind of mind can be a prohet of god.

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  4. In same lines between Ahmadiyya and Islam.

    I had a question for LORD Ahmed BT(Qadanni Lord in House of Lord)

    If UK law say onething and your khalifa say something else(for example no one is allowed to take mater to courts of UK).

    Islam give full permission to respect the Law of Land.

    What would this Lord do?
    If he accept Rules of UK, Masroor would expell him!!!

    If he accept the rule of Ahmadiyya, House of lord would kick him out.

    Pin them down to expose their real PUNJABBI culture.

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  5. its disgusting isn't it?? And then those questioning are made to feel bad. When I questioned an open minded elderly relation of mine, I was given some awful explanation. It was something along these lines: at the time, so much filth was about and mga wanted to bring people back in a way they understood best... And one common perversion was sex. If he could make them understand through all they knew (sex), then MASHALLAH what a clever man. It made me physically heave. I have never quite looked at the relation the same again; lost a lot of respect for them that day. When I questioned this filth again, I was told my mind was dirty and I couldn't see the beauty of it. Lol. Sorry but when you read the worlds 'vulva', 'whore' 'semen'..apologies for associating it to SEX. I was told I should have associated to namaz/salah if my mind was clean. it was what really freaked me out about what exactly I was meant to be following. Then I was given the usual out of context line. Round round round in some vicious cycle. The guy was highly sexed and got off talking about sex. He was a disgusting filthy dirty dirty mentalist Astagfirallah may Allah save our families from this dirt before they join him.

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  6. Why do none of these "reverts" wear caps or cover their heads when reading the Holy Quran? Just an observation I made over the years.

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  7. What? Should they wear a pugri with a long tail like your khaliefa? Lol.

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  8. The dressing norm at the time of the Messenger of Allah (saws) was such that the Arabs used to wear a turban or "pugri" over their heads. Was that funny too?

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  9. A turban with two "tails" is a Sunnah of the Prophet SAAWS. I'm currently wearing a kufi while at work and keep a turban tied at home during salah/namaz.

    But at the same time, covering one's head is not a wajib act, and does not become more mandatory when reading the Qur'an. Its not blameworthy or sinful at all.

    Anonymous at 9 January 2012 13:56, pointing that out as a "fault" is grasping at straws...

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  10. I merely made an 'observation', where did you get "fault" from?

    I know it's not sinful or blameworthy not to wear one. But Findings seems to think it's funny to have a tail on a pugri,does that mean it's double funny for 2 tails? Thought not.

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  11. Loool! Nice try anon! I know! Bet the pugri didn't include a gold crest amidst all that starch!!!! Care to explain why he rolls around with a gold crest in the middle? Mas wears a Princely Pugri with 1 tail... Big difference!!

    Anyways... Would be good if you could counter the hadiith? Or maybe the sex namaz?
    Really.....??????? Get with it....

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  12. Nice Try? What exactly am I 'trying' to do, other than make you realise how bichare you sound at times? Why respond to me if you aren't going to show my comment? Wait maybe you ignored it like you do most? Yeh right.

    You are now asking why it is a different 'style' of pugri. Good one. If that's not called 'grasping at straws' then what is?


    May Allah truly guide you.

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  13. ALL your comments have been published...refresh your screen and stop talking rubbish. What? Guided back to that filth like I quoted above????? NO SIREE!

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  14. Wrong again, I think you failed to publish at least 20 of my thought provoking comments in the past. And where's the comment about you and Farhan making a good couple gone? At least add a little humour to your life.

    Why did you change your stance on these court documents you were going to broadcast to the world? Anyone would think your folks work in the courts.

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  15. Findings they are trying to change the subject again, so far none of the ahmadis mentioned what MGA has written or the wonderful news of Brother Rasheed entering the real Islam.

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  16. SULTAN-UL-QALAM Bench is just gossiping here, regarding pagri and etc.

    The finding and her team made a vaild point to show the diference between Islam and Ahmadiyya.

    Hey Khaddum-ul-Ahmadiyya please go and ask Lord AHMED BT to show his a*** to one of his masters. Either UK government or Masroor.
    Why he is living double life?

    Masroor made announcement worldwide by circular. This circular had been read before salat in Mission Houses, that no Ahmedi is allowed to take their matters to Court of the country.

    Now will this Dual faced lord BT accept it or not?

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  17. findings you are laughing at the tail of a pugri, not knowing the Holy Prophet (saw) used to wear similar attire and yet you think anon above is talking rubbish ? lolllllllll

    wearing a pugri when reading out loud God's words is known as RESPECT, something you know nothing about it.

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  18. @ 9 January 2012 17:18

    who cares?

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  19. Loool pugri diversion! Pugri diversion! No more discussion on this allowed!

    @ the annoying commentor! I didn't appreciate your cheap and tacky comments about match making, it makes me uncomfortable and I don't wish for any discussion like that to take place especially as it involves me. Its distasteful. Very distasteful, so why should I allow it? Also, bring proof your comments were not allowed? I will take it up with my friend who mans the comments for the best part of the day. I usually take over from 7/8pm onwards as I have restricted net access at work. As for the nas khan malarky- GIVE IT A REST. I've told you its not going up so just leave it. 'I lied' end of. What are you still doing discussing it?


    Let's talk about the Dajjal, Isa (as) and the 7 year period of peace!!????

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  20. Enjoy the 15 mins Brother Rasheed you are getting with these hypocrites, you will end up like Farhan Quereshi, then these people will pretend they never knew you.

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  21. Anon Khauddam wrote
    9 January 2012 17:28

    Who cares?

    Mr Ahmedi, can you tell that Lord Ahmed BT would shake hand with an expelled member, would he talk to person who is ex-communicated.

    Where as House of Lord protect the British Value of 'freedom of speech'.

    I think the liberal Ahmedis, and Muslims in UK should wrote to THEIR MPs, about these Punsihments as human rights abuse by the spiritual master of Lord BT, and also ask him to make a statement.

    Findings to get Rafiq Hayat weaken in government circles, this Dual life lord must be exposed in House of Lord. He is spokeperson of this cult in government UK

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  22. What a spiteful and utterly despicable thing to say about br.rasheed! Was he not an Ahmadi once???? Have some shame, you people are beyond belief! Look who's talking about hypocrites and hypocrisy..when you've spoken to him like that...you reallyy wwanna know him now too!!! Shameful.

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    1. Salaam where was Rasheed Sarpong a Qaid? and for how long? by the way its not the same anonymous coz i think you have mistaken me for the other anonymous .

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  23. Enjoy the 15 mins Brother Rasheed you are getting with these hypocrites, you will end up like Farhan Quereshi, then these people will pretend they never knew you.
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    Ahmadis as always showing their true colours, who is the hypocrite here now "love for all hatred for none" there are many ahmadis who have left ahmadiyyat and embraced Islam and the Muslims have welcomed them with open arms.

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  24. @anon 20:05 Welcome the Ahmadis with open arms!!!!
    just like you welcome Shia muslims with open arms.

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  25. They were talking about accepting MUSLIMS who were former Ahmadis with open arms, not Ahmadis like you. You are kafir.
    Anyways how about we talk about something else????

    Can you explain the above excerpt from Braheen e Ahmadiyya? Forget our shia brethren...let's talk about the above!

    Do you like this literary masterpiece by your plus one Prophet?

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  26. But if you insist on diverting topic..can you tell me what your guru ghulam mirza said about Hadrat Ali (ra)..if you insist on discussing shias. And also what he said about Hussein?

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  27. Congrulation to Brother Rasheed Sarpong for a great escape from Cult lead by Masroor.

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  28. 1. That quotation is probably mistranslated and not even in Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyya because the top Islamic scholars of the time loved him for that book (this is when he didn't make any claims).

    2. Even Mawlana Rumi in his famous Mathnavi contains many seemingly crude metaphors about sex to explain spiritual topics. For example in one part he has this story about a woman establishing conjugal relations with a donkey (bestiality). These are things way beyond the intellect of a common person like you who does not understand the Sufi's mind.

    3. The arguments presented by Brother Rasheed were logically fallacious (ie. you cannot count an entire faith based on what one of its followers happens to say), and misleading. For example about the Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari where the Prophet (sa) talks about the house with bricks and one empty space left for him, it has been translated as "I am the last in line of Prophets" while the actual Arabic says "Anaa al-Khaatam 'un-Nabiyyeen", the meaning of which is evident to mean "Seal of the Prophets".

    Wa'salam, I hope you publish this post.

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  29. And Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) greatly rebuked the position of Shias in his majestic Arabic work, Sirr-ul-Khilafah (Secret of Caliphate):

    http://aaiil.org/text/books/mga/sirrul/sirrulkhilafahsecretofexistence.pdf

    You asked a question, I'm giving you the answer.

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  30. In my opinion ahmadis are kafir! If they were not kafir, why do I feel the need to revert to Islam??? I'm not going to pussy foot around you people..its my opinion and that's that. I am no apologetic. Remember its not something I say with pride, I've got family out there who are ahmadi!!

    @ shia book man... What did Mirza say about hussain and ali?? Tell me??

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  31. salaam just with regards to Rasheed Sarpong i wiould like to know where he was the qaid? and for how long .

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  32. Well then you have a lot of explaining to do on the Day of Judgement because in Sahih Bukhari itself the Prophet (sa) is known to have said that anyone who calls another person Kafir (who claims he is not a Kafir) is a Kafir him/herself.

    And jazakAllah for not publishing my post. Lost ones like you are very rare indeed, subhanAllah

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  33. Welcome Brother Rasheed to Islam,

    You are spot on regarding ZAKAT issue within Jamat. They mainly preach for just money, and where this money is going? why people are not joining them? If joining them what is their total populations all over the world?
    Simple to understand, this Jamat do not allow a common person to say anything or live his own life and decide what to do for certain aspects of life.

    I am surprise to see the Challenge up in the debate, and a mother with children asking for her basic Sharia right, and they expel her-- What a shame.
    second, a poor father stop the kidnap of his son, and they expel him.
    Who call this a Real Islam?
    It is the main signs of a CULT. They made their own rules, which has nothing to do with book of laws(Quran) they are referring to as real Islam.

    Can any one from Ahamdiyya answer these questions or they are too coward now, and run away from PEN JIHAD too.

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  34. The truth of the matter is that brother Rasheed has left Ahmadiyyat and embraced Islam so get over it Ahmadis, I say good for him and his family, at least he searched with an open heart and saw what this cult really is nothing!

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  35. If people are making vague references to Rumi's poetry, then is MGA now reduced to being compared to poets and sufi's ?

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  36. Allahu Akbar! Welcome to Islam Brother! :D

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  37. With regard to Mirzais sex obsession this book is worth reading

    http://www.khatmenubuwwat.org/books/urdu_books/ubook_15.pdf

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  38. Lol @ the kafir annd sahih bukhari! Go and read the interpretation and in what context this was said and who EXACTLY it applies to!! For onlly God knows how many times a qaddiani has used this hadith to justify their 'islam'. Mind you perhaps you are metaphorical 'muslims' hey? I mean take the hadith for example wherein it mentions that Hadrat Isa (as) was to descend draped in 2 yellow sheets. Your sex up love machine mirza reckons because he had a series of 'ailments' such as excessive urine..it meant metaphorically this applied to him. If you acccept this meaning of the hadith, I guess you would accept that the 'kafir' hadith also fits! More fool you...

    Anyway forget what I think. Again I will say in myy humble opion Ahmadis are NOT musslim as they follow a satanic religion that is NOT Islam and goes aggainst isslam. Let's leave it at that. End of. Stop using it to divert the topic.

    So wwhen were the 7 years of peace? Even metaphorically?? Any idea? Let me know... My family have been looking for it for years!

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  39. Apologies for the typos btw. Until I get a new phone this is the way forward! Annoying I know.

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  40. Salaams
    I had to laugh when the brothers Shahid and Rasheed said they thought that Ahadith consisted of only 'Gardens of the Righteous'. Don't blame the jamaat Ahmadiyya for your own ignorance people. Rasheed, there are many deficiencies in your argumentation, for example sunnah does not equal Ahadith as Ahadith came to be collected 150 years after the death of the Prophet (saw) Maliki Muslims for example, do not equate sunnah with Ahadith but the established known practice of the companions, tabaiin etc etc , which is not necessarily written down. Even so , none of the Ahadith you quote contradict Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmads (as) claim about his prophethood, which is a 'burooz' in line with verses 4:70 of the Quran. Another person on this thread Alluded to the deeper
    understanding of Arabic that you need in order to interpret the Qur'an and the Ahadith and the historical
    politics of Islam mean that you cannot take Ahadith at face value; for example, in Bukhari it is written that Ibrahim (as) lied 3 times, while the Quran describes him as a truthful prophet (on top of saying that prophets can't lie anyway). Which will you believe? The this is from Bukhari, the most authentic collection? Everyone should take note, both these guys seem to have had very little knowledge when they were Ahmadis. This in connection with the undoubted 'dodgyness' of some of the jamaat's members has led to them leaving the jamaat after finding half baked 'proofs'. Of course you will say that the issue now is not the death of Jesus(as) but eventually, you will have to explain this. Do you know what? You won't be able to. Of course, going to Ahadith to explain your beliefs is a nice easy option, but thode beliefs also have to be backed up by the Quran. Your current understanding of Khattamun Nabiyyin leads to contradictions in the Quran (God forbid). All you guys have done is left a minority group, (which due to the weaknesses of some of it's members ( some of whom are indeed quite unpleasant), does seem like a cult sometimes) for the majority. But that doesn't make you right. My message to my Ahmadi brothers and sisters is this, read, discover, find out. Buy Bukhari like Rasheed did, ask questions if you don't understand, but don't keep yourself as ignorant as these two did (Gardens of the Righteous OMG) otherwise you could end up like them.

    Wa salaam
    M

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  41. But will it be approved

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  42. Michael,

    Few points

    A) Ahadith were only COMPILED 100~ years after the Prophet SAAWS died, but they were WRITTEN DOWN during his lifetime. Big difference.

    B) The invented concept of a Buroozi Nabi in the literal sense does not exist. In the metaphorical sense, anyone, including me and you, can be a "buroozi Nabi" if we recite a hadith perfectly. If you believe MGA was not literally a prophet, then we don't disagree.

    C) Your main argument is to de-legitimize Bukhari by bringing up perceived ambiguities in ahadith that are completely unrelated to the subject at hand. How does this advance your argument, by saying Bukhari is unreliable? Note that even Mirza Ghulam himself said Bukhari = Authentic in his booklet "Our Teachings".

    D) You said Rasheed had little knowledge when he was an Ahmadi. Not only is this an Ad hominem, recognize that he was a regional Qa'id in the Jama'at.

    E) Khaatam al-Nabiyyin leads to no misunderstanding except in the minds of those who wish for there to be one in order to justify MGA.

    May Allah guide us all.

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  43. Salam
    good quotes/ writings are those easily understood by kids;) i challenge the ahmadi parents gather their youngs and explain such language. nauzibillah.

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  44. Cult girl you are the dajal.

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  45. lol if i am the al-Dajaal, shouldnt I be dead by now seeing your messiah mirza was meant to have killed the al-Dajaal by now? metaphorically?? looool. wake up.

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  46. lol if i am the al-Dajaal, shouldnt I be dead by now seeing your messiah mirza was meant to have killed the al-Dajaal by now? metaphorically?? looool. wake up.

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    I found that funny too, quadianis have no idea, LOL

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  47. And they have been very brave in the last few days, claiming certain brothers don't know their Ahadith! lol. Coming from them, who failed to prove their 14C hadith... LAUGHING LOUDLY.

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  48. Which Qiadat / Region?

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  49. "When 1,240 years will pass, God will raise Mahdi." (An-Najmus Saqib, Vol. 2, p. 209)

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  50. Which Qiadat / Region?

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    I think North London!

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  51. Dear Findings, the quote from braheene ahmadiyya. where did you obtain the English translation from?

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  52. This Mirza guy was a pervert, not only did he unsuccessfully chase women for marriage( M Begum), he explained his khushoo as sexual innuendos. How can any person follow this man? Wake up!!

    Ive met many qadianis and not one can defend the beliefs of mirza, they have no basis within the quran and sunnaah and are against 1400 years of scholarship. There is no explicit statement that after Muhammad(pbuh) another new prophet will arise, not in the Quran or sunnah. Its madness and then on top of that they believe in a 'prophet' who was obviously sexually perverse, using such disgusting language to explain his khusho. Totally sickening!!!

    There is not a qadiani alive who can seriously believe in Mirza knowing this about him, unless they are people who are experts at fooling themselves.

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  53. @ Farhan

    Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahu

    Very weak points bro. Very weak.

    (A) Are you sure that the Ahadith were 'written down' during the life of the Prophet (saw)? Given that the Arabs had an oral culture and were famed for their memories, I think that is is extremely unlikely that they were written down. What evidence can you provide to support this assertion?

    (B) It is MGA (as) who has asserted that he is not an independent prophet but is a 'burooz' of the Holy Prophet according to verses 4:70 and 62:4. 62:4 " wa akhareena min hum" speaks of a second coming of Muhammad (saw) and is explained by an Ahadith from Bukhari. The verse also shows that the root 'Akhir' has other meanings disassociated from the notion of the 'afterlife' showing that the Ahmadi interpretation of 'Akhira' in the first ruku of Al Baqarah is perefectly valid. If you do not accept the concept of buroozi nabi, how do you explain the verses 4:70 & 62:4? Particularly 62:4 because the tafseer for this has been given by the Prophet (saw) himself (from Bukhari no less), this is the narration concering Salman Farsi (ra)? 4:70 also requires some explanation by you because verse 57:20 does not mention that by following other prophets, one can become a prophet, but 4:70, does make this assertion. This would suggest that in fact Muhammads'(saw) Sunnah has the capacity to turn those who follow it into prophets by Allahs Grace, and this method of 'raising' a prophet contains within itself the rreasons why such a prophet must be a burooz.

    (C) My main argument is not to de-legitimze Bukhari (in fact I made other points which you have not even acknowledged). I only sought to the Ahadith in their proper place. Bukhari is the most authentic book of Ahadith but it lies 3rd in importance, after the Qur'an and the Sunnah. MGA (as) of course asserted the eminence and importance of Bukhari but he was clear that Ahadith does not equal sunnah. He said this very clearly.

    (D) I did not say that Rasheed had little knowledge, I said that both you and Rasheed have little knowledge! To think that Garden of the Righteous is the sum total of Ahadith and to not be aware of the sihah sitta is unforgiveable. I'm also deeply unimpressed by your answers, frankly I expected better.

    (E) Well, you have to exlain the meaning of 4:70 and 62:4 in the light of the verse on Khattamun Nabiyyin, not to mention the historical context and reason for the revelation of the verse in the first place. But you wont be able to, that's Guarunteed.

    In short brother this goes to highlight some of the main points I made in my last post (but which you conveniently skipped over). I have provided two or three verses of the Qur'an (not Ahadith) to back up my arguments, one of these verses has a tafseer which was given by the Holy Prophet (saw) himself. In all your posts you struggle to find one verse of the Qur'an condemning the Ahmadi position and backing up yours. All you have is english translations of Ahadith and excerpts from MGA's (as) books. This is the difference between Ahmadis and non- Ahmadis that I have found whenever these issues are debated.

    I acknowledge that there are many weaknesses in the UK jamaat, some of the people are exceedingly 'tacky' as Findings has said and there are people that I don't trust at all (in the UK), but when all's said and done Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) has enough proof to support his claim.

    I await your tafseer of the verses I have mentioned, but I wont hold my breath.

    Wa Salaam
    M

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    1. Michael from what you say at point D is it now the case that the Qadiani community are publishing books of hadith, and, for example, now get Bukhari and Muslim from your own bookshops? Why is it that the Qadiani community do not publish these books of hadith? Is it because they clearly shatter your false prophet's claim of prophethood? The same individual who claims to be the second coming of Jesus (as) and the Imam Mahdi in the same person? The same person who claims that Allah addressed him as Mary, Moses, and Ibrahim? The same one who claims that Allah's divinity coursed through him? Astagfirullah! You really thought that these disgusting boasts of a false prophet would go unchecked and unnoticed until Yaumul Qiyama? Fear Allah Michael! This is not about you scoring points with anyone. If you are truly searching for the truth and you fear the wrath of Allah then that is the best basis to be involved in discussions here. You want to score browny points with your Qadiani cohorts then that's simply your nafs talking and I pray for a better condition for you.

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    2. M you are also wrong in saying hadith is 3rd in line of importance. If you had more knowledge you would know that Sunnah represents the sayings, actions and tacit approval of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Therefore, the writings of his sayings, actions and tacit approvals (i.e. ahadith books) are right up there only behind Qur'an.

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    3. Michael @ point B please quote volume and number the hadith of Bukhari

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  54. Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatuallah wa Barakatahu,

    @Anon#1

    Gardens of the Righteous (Riayadh as Salihiin) is a collection Compiled By Al-Imam Abu Zakariya Yahya bin Sharaf An-Nawawi Ad-Dimashqi who was born in the 13th Centrury. Muhammad Zafrullah Khan (ra) merely translated the collection so no, the Jamaat al Ahmadiyya does not publish it's own collections of Ahadith. The rest of your reply is simply abuse. Why don't you try actually answering the arguments that I've made? Believe me, I'm not interested in scoring points.

    @Anon#2
    If the books of Ahadith = Sunnah, then what did Muslims do in the 100 year gap between the death of the Prophet (saw) and the time when the Ahadith were first collected? Did not the Muslims who lived in that 100 year gap have access to the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)? In addition, I told you in my last post that there is at least one very significant contradiction between Bukhari (the most authentic book of Ahadith) and the Qur'an (that of it being reported that Ibrahim (as) lied 3 times in Bukhari despite being described as a truthful Prophet in the Qur'an. Ask yourself, can the Sunnah of the The Prophet(saw) contradict the Qur'an? Think about it.

    Only one thing that Farhan said before I agree with, and that is, may Allah Guide us all.

    Jazakala

    Wa Salaam

    Michael

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    1. Michael is it that difficult for you to understand that the written compilations of the sayings, actions and tacit approvals of the prophet Muhammed (saw), IN THE WRITTEN FORM, are called books of Hadith - the Sunnah in written form are books of Hadith. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

      Michael, I do not profess to be a scholar but at the same time you have very little knowledge yourself. Did you know that Sahaba had their own collections of sayings of the prophet Muhammed (saw) that they personally kept?

      Michael you are the ahmadi in this discourse. Tell us please, in your own bookshops at your places of worship - in particular Morden and Gressenhall Road, do you have available to buy the full collection of Bukhari and Muslim for your followers to purchase and read for themselves? If not, we Muslims can recommend publishers of the same.

      If indeed your community does not publish books of hadith beyond Gardens of the Righteous then what leg can you stand on when criticised on this particular point? You claim to be part of the saved sect yet the saved sect doesn't even have the hadith in their publications dealing with the return of 'Eisa bin Maryam! What a peculiar state of affairs!

      Michael, have you read 'With Love to the Ahmadis of the World'? It deals with your community's many tried...and tired arguments of proving the truth of MGAQ.

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    2. Salaams
      Where can I get this book?
      M

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    3. http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/library/comparative/With_Love_To_Ahmadis.pdf

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  55. How can you let this Qadiani with the fake name of Michael suggest that akhira means anything other than hereafter? Does this liar know that such blasphemous distortion of the Qur'an leads to hell? They should peddle their garbage on Facebook. Oh wait...

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  56. Whether he has a fake name or not, what relevance does that have to his points, would be good to see Farhan and co answer his points rather than hail abuse.

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  57. @Farhan
    Assalamu Alaikum wa R wa B,

    Brother. I stand corrected. I acknowledge that SOME of the sahaba wrote down the words of the HP(saw) and kept personal collections, and that the HP (saw) even encouraged them to do this. So Mashallah you have provided the proof that I asked for regarding the writing
    down of Ahadith, Jazakala for enligtening me on that point. So we have established that I too have little knowledge.

    However, will you acknowledge that none of these personal collections that were written during the time of the HP(saw) survives in their original form today? So these originals were lost sometime in between the death of the HP(saw) and the 8th and 9th century when the collections we know today began to be compiled.

    Remember brother that this work of compilation involved significant travel on the part of Imam Bukhari et al, because the Islamic empire had spread far and wide.

    Will you admit During that time, there were still a large number of Muslims who had no access to any codified texts of Ahadith and who were hence reliant on sayings of the a HP(saw) that had not been verified by scholars Bukhari et al? A new convert in Bukhara ( for example)
    had to rely on what those around him told him, and had no way of knowing whether or not what he did was the same as what someone on Baghdad was doing with regards to practice of the HP(saw). Why do you think that there are the 4 Madhabs?

    Another important source of the sunnah of te HP (saw) is the 'Amal' of the HP(saw) and companions and that of the Taba'een and subsequent generations. The Amal is the observed practice of the Holy Prophet (saw) that the companions learned by watching Prophet Muhammad (saw) and imitating him. The importanace of this aspect of the Sunnah has been attested to by Imam Malik, who particularly emphasised the Amal of Medina since this is where the Prophet (saw) died.

    The Amal would have been a very important source for the Muslims in the absence of codified Ahadith which were not available till 8th & 9th centuries. Don't forget also that Bukhari says Ibrahim (as) lied, which we all know can't be true. Just Google it, you'll find the reference.

    This clearly contradicts the Quran and illustrates that the Ahadith are not an infallible guide. Can the Sunnah contradict the Quran? Ahadith are important no doubt and shed light on the sunnah, but they are not equal to the sunnah of HP (saw).
    Now I hope that inshalla we are a satisfied on his point and can now move on to the other, more significant questions I raised in my last post.

    Jazakala

    Wa Salaam

    M

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  58. The point which you conveniently chose to ignore is that Qadianis are the only losers in the history of Arabic to ever have mistranslated Akhirah DELIBERATELY to suit their purposes. Wasn't that Rasheed's point?

    Losers in this life and the next - no class either, just hatred. You and the kuffar whose apron you hide under get along just fine in your joint hatred of Muslims. Keep it up. See what happens. Won't be pretty.

    See you on Facebook? Oh wait...

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  59. May Allah bring more and more Ahmadis to Islam and away from this punjabi cult

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  60. Salaam i hve been visiting this page for a while and some thing crossed my mind regarding those who said they have left Ahmadi jamaat. i was wondering when you were in that jamaat did it still seem like a cult to you . and also wat changed your opinions about it and also did you know abt most of the things you say now?

    and also to those who are in the jamaat do you not know what those who have left talk about?coz am sure if a person stays in their house they know what goes on in their house ,and a visitor coming to that house can make their opinion abt your house but necessarily would not be the truth.

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    1. you must be german ahmadi

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  61. @Josephine...The tone of your reply is exactly what fuels the Ahmadi/Qadiani propaganda against the Ummah.."the Fanantical Mulla".
    People of Sunnah & Jammat are people of integrity & truth
    Don't give them anything, be the ones who treat the path of the Prophetic Sunnah with sincerity not just rev up our emotions & let loose(no matter how sincere we think we may be)
    Husnul-Thunn..
    Having a good opinion of people.
    1.This guy calls him self Michael so you should except it.
    2.He seems to be asking searching questions rather than the usual Cultish questions.
    PEACE BE UPON OUR MASTER MUHAMMAD...the last of the prophets..

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  62. come on cult info, someone has to have some good answers here. it's all a bit quiet, normally you jump right in with the abuse like Josephine! Fahran it would be good to see a response , it's been a week or so!

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  63. Salaams all,
    At the moment I'm having a look at the book, 'With Love to the Ahmadis......', which I'm finding interesting particularly regarding 4:70 (Nabiyyin, Siddiqin, Shohada, Salihin). I like what is written about this, this is strong. Still unpacking it and researching it a little bit more. Yet to really read up on the other stuff in the book.
    Jazakala
    Wasalaam
    M

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    1. Salaams to you Michael
      There are number of good books out there regarding ahmadiyyat, With Love to the Ahmadis is very good but also what made changed my views on ahmadiyyat and finally excepted Islam was this book:

      http://files.qarchives.com/haneef/haneef.pdf

      It took me a while to read it but it is worthwhile.

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    2. Jazakala. Will inshallah check out
      Wa salaam
      M

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    3. New Sunni convert To Ahmadiyyat the true Islam24 January 2012 at 10:28

      While I believe Br Rashid Sarpong is pure of heart and his individual reasons are genuine are those the two main reasons he left. Someone made a flippant comment about Zakat and a Hadith about 7 years peace when no man or woman would argue.

      Well I'll come to that in a second first the bit in the video when Rashid talks about being a hypocrite if he pretended to stay in the Jamaat meet people etc You guys missed a trick here.

      The other dude in the video just sat there like a dumbo probably coz he couldn't stop drooling and fawning! He should have jumped in and said " Whoa there partner you have got it all wrong There are good hypocrites and bad hypocrites. Just look at our beloved heavenly sister findings. She is a "Good" Hypocrite you stay in the Jamaat pretend to be Ahamdi spy on them and bring us all the gossip, gravy and made up scandals and stuff and you will be a hero of Islam and have a lofty station in Paradise, whats all this lowest rank of hell stuff thats just for The Jews and hypocrites who pretended to be Muslims in Medina and spied on The Prophet PBUH and others now they were the BAD hypocrites."

      I thought you guys were all about correcting peoples Islam when they leave the misguided dastardly Ahmadiyya Jamaat. Rashid is obviously confused and misguided about this hypocrite business and the other guy just SAT THERE and nodded while the saliva ran down his chin. Wake up and correct these things otherwise whats the point of him leaving.

      Farhan above said early Muslims used to Hide their Islam??

      Really what you mean like Hazrat Bilal RA Hazrat Umar RA sister when he asked her Or Even the Prophet PBUH when asked by his uncle. Hazrat Bilal RA clearly missed the memo otherwise he could have been spared torture and lashings but he just kept saying Ahad Ahad affiring his faith. I wonder why we hear these stories and not the ones about people hiding there Islam and pretending to be Idol Worshippers??

      Peace

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  64. @ Findings
    Good try ! Go and read my comments where the video is lying . I have left some intrestIng questions for Shahid Kamal & company And I hope you migh be enthusiastic to look answers for those few very simple questions and then I can bring some more......

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  65. Dear All,

    Assalamu Alaikum Wa R wa B,

    I've gone through the pamphlet 'With Love to the Ahmadies of the world'. I have to say that other than the explanation of 4:70 I wasn't very impressed. Some the main arguments I raised in my last post (which should be well known to those who have seriously studied Ahmadiyyat) are not addressed at all (such as the 'Salman Farasi (ra) argument), and the explanations of verses like of the one for 7:35 show how out of his depth the auther seems to be (the reason this verse is such a strong argument is to do with it's grammar, it's future tense - rather than whether Allah is addressing Muslims specifically or not.

    Jazakala for directing me to this. I now await responses to my previous post.

    Wa Salaam

    Michael

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  66. Sister of Br. Rasheed5 March 2012 at 14:16

    The time you guys spend debating about issues that divide Ahmedis from Muslims, you could have brought yourself further forward in knowledge of Islam. A lot of time is spent trying to convince Ahmedis that Islam (as Muslims understand it) is the correct path. Allah the Almighty says:"Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided."(28:56)
    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنْذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنْذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ

    خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلَىٰ أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

    "Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe."

    "Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment." (2:6/7)

    We debate about Ahadith yet we haven't educated ourselves in the language which they were compiled in and still we think we have understanding. SubhanAllah. Leave the Ahmedis on their path of destruction and let us busy ourselves on our path that will lead to salvation.

    So, for the brothers and sisters who have accepted Islam (and yes its contradictory that I post this reference in English): Whoever does not argue when he is in the wrong will have a home built for him on the edge of Paradise. Whoever avoids it when he in the right will have a home built for him in the middle of Paradise. And whoever improves his own character, a home will be built for him in the highest part of Paradise.
    [Tirmidhi]

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    1. With all due respect Sister, we are all answerable to Allah swt and if you know of the truth, you shouldn't conceal it and should spread it. Without a doubt, one's own spiritual development is paramount but we also have a duty to expose falsehood. Qadianiyyat is falsehood and this needs to exposed.

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    2. Sister of Br. Rasheed5 March 2012 at 14:50

      JazakaAllahu khairan sister. I also left Ahmadiyya before my brother, c.2005. I didn't investigate all the falsehood of the Ahmedis. No other Muslim had guided me, but I found enough literature out there that suggested that their claims to being the true Islam was false. To debate with about it seemed pointless because what I had failed to understand then which I do now is that the whole institution of Ahmediyya is a business. If you're a high earner and live for the life of this world then you are not going to be "guided" to a life where you would have to give up such luxuries.

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    3. Sister of Br.Rasheed! Glory be to Allah the most High for blessing you and your wonderful brother Hidayaah!

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  67. Sister of Br. Rasheed5 March 2012 at 14:40

    Yes, you have a point. JazakAllahu khairan.

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  68. Salaam

    With all due respect I don't live a life of 'Luxuries' although I admit that there are people like that in the Ahmadiyya Jamaat.

    There are also people in Islam who believe in female circumcision and suicide bombing. Many people keep away from Islam because of these things. Are they right to do so? Of course not. They should look at the teachings of Islam and judge the religion primarily on that basis right? Well the same thing applies to Ahmadiyyat. You should judge Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) and his claims according to the Qur'an and Sunnah.

    I presented some proofs based on this quite some time ago and they have yet elicit a response.

    Most of what I read on these threads tends to be personal attacks on certain members of the UK jamaat (attacks which are quite unislamic in character) and there is very little of any substance.

    If there was a real argument / proof exposing the 'falsehood' of Ahmadiyyat I would be the first to leave, but I'm yet to be impressed.

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