Friday, 6 January 2012

How to Manage a Crisis Like Masroor!


 Salaam,

Just a quick passing post!

Please take a few seconds to read over the following Ahadith, regarding the Latter Days in the time of the Messiah (who I believe to be Hadhrat Isa (AS), but that's neither here nor there):
"Earth will turn like a silver tray, growing vegetation as it did in the time of Adam (PBUH) so much so that a group of people will eat a bunch of grapes and it will satiate them; a group of people will eat a single pomegranate and it will satiate them; the bull will be sold for a lot of money; and a horse will cost only a few dirhams." The audience asked: "God's messenger, why will a horse be so cheap?" He replied: "It will not be used as a mount for fighting." He was asked: "Why will a bull be so expensive?" He replied: "The whole land would be tilled." (Ibn Majah)

and....

"Then Earth will be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing. As a result thereof, there would grow [such a large] pomegranate that a group of people will be able to eat it and seek shelter under its skin. A milk cow will give so much milk that a whole party will able to drink. A milk camel will give such [a large quantity of] milk that the whole tribe will be able to drink out of it, and a milk sheep will give so much milk that the whole family will able to drink out of that…." (Sahih Muslim)

and....

"During this (period), my ummah (people) will lead a kind of comfortable and carefree life that they have never known before. (The land) will bring forth its yield and will not hold anything back." (Ibn Majah)

As per Ahadith, we can safely assume that in the time of the Messiah, whoever he may be, there will be great abundance and people of the Ummah will want for nothing! It is reported in Hadith that there will even come a time when a man will walk around offering alms, but no one will take it as there would be no need for it (can't remember where I read this now)!

The Ahmadis believe the Messiah has been and gone. They believe he came in the form of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (there have been hundreds of claimants of this type, might I add), and that he has fulfilled his 'obligations' as the Messiah and he was successful on his mission!

Anyone care to explain why it is that the Khalifa of the Ahmadis and Khalifa in Waiting of the Muslim Ummah has told Ahmadis world over to start stockpiling food and 'essential goods' in the event that there is a mass food shortage, as a result of the economic crisis and tensions throughout the political/religious world! Its no joke guys, the Ahmadis are taking it so seriously that this is now being sent out GLOBALLY:

Suggested List of Items for Stocking
(Emergency Preparedness)
  • Wheat flour
  • Rice
  • Different types of grains including pulses (daal)
  • Dried fruits and Nuts like Dates, raisins, peanuts and almonds
  • Cooking Oil, Salt & Spices
  • Canned food like Vegetables, Tuna Fish, cheese etc.
  • Camping stove - Kerosene cooking stove and 180 litres of fuel
  • Dry batteries
  • First Aid Kit
  • Personal Hygiene Items
  • Supply of Medicines & Vitamins
  • Flashlights/Light sticks & Torches
  • Batteries (all sizes)
  • Charcoal, Lighter Fluid
  • Candles
  • Matches "Strike Anywhere" preferred
  • Seasoned Firewood
  • Kitchen Supply
  • Water Containers filled with water (One month supply)
  • Water Filters/Purifiers
  • Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
  • Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
  • Walkie Talkies (Ham Radio)
  • Plastic Tapes, Ropes and ties

Ahmadis world over are stocking up on these essentials, as per the instructions of Mirza Masroor.

Errr...Mas...in the time of the Messiah was food not meant to be readily available for all? Was there not to be an abundance of food? Mirza Ghulam Qadiani aka The Promised Messiah has been and gone, so why are you worrying about 'food shortages'? Haven't you read the hadith before? Shouldn't you have put 2 and 2 together by now and seriously questioned why Mirza Ghulam Qadiani failed to bring with him all these riches and endless supply of food and water?

Above all else... LOL at the above list! The Ahmadiyya Jamaat has well and truly lost the plot! When I was emailed this by some loopy local Qaid, I just had to share this with you all! Anyone would think the Ahmadis are preparing for the Blitz! LOL...get a grip.com and understand your Messiah was a fraud and understand that Mas talks complete and utter nonsense! He has no real weight in the world and has no real input  besides dictating if you should have facebook or not, so he has now decided to scare people into thinking somethings about to kick off, and of course, his followers will believe anything! Well I guess he does have Allah on direct dial, doesn't he? Stop in your tracks and take a look at the list with your Logical Ray-Bans on and then take a look at the authentic Ahadith! Come on now...aren't you the least bit embarrassed by Masroor and his stupid suggestions, despite him claiming to be 'Khalifatul Massih' (Khalifa of the Messiah), who should have seen an end to world poverty and problems by now??


Love this list and the lunacy of the Jamaat!

50 comments:

  1. No Nasser khan post then, I knew it was an empty threat. Also this post is hypocritical of you as your family is blatantly taking part in the stock piling

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  2. Lajna don't have qaid's you just revealed your actually a geeza

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  3. canned cheese sounds disgusting

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  4. He is diverting the attention from the crsis to his Khalifat and Jamat. This is the fruit of majority of Khadhan corrupt people in Electrol College, whom elected Masroor.
    He cannot face challenges to his Ghair Islami orders, --Coward, if not answer these!!!
    AN OPEN LETTER TO MIRZA MASROOR

    Mirza Masroor Sahib
    Head of Jamat Ahmadiyya Worldwide
    London
    UK

    Janab Mirza Masroor Sahib,


    Further to our challenge to you(which will end on 10th Nov 2011)and your jamat to prove from Quran about your activities to your own members, we muslims like to see your reply in public.

    You and your previous Khalifa sahib both took British Passports by taking OATH on Quran, that you will be faithful to Queen of UK, and same as your members in UK and similarly to other western governments by taking similar oath to their governments.

    Then we see that in legal matters, especially in your time, your administration is forcing people to bring matrimonial matters(specaily) related cases to Dar-ul-Qaza, and this announcements had been made to your members.

    Since then, we see two cases and please explain, what wrong these people did as you punish them and not the culprits.
    1) Mrs Kahloon, seeking finacial help for her and her children, which your Qaza cannot enforce to Mr Kahloon monthly incommings, as the court of country can do.
    2) We see that there was an old case, came to our knowledge, which is Mr Afzaal and his family, and he had stopped the kidnap of his son by taking UK exit order from court, which your Qaza cannot enforce.
    3) Also your jamat expell the son of first Khalifa, but now cannot expell Mr Mirza Fareed.

    Can you explain these three cases, and we do not know, how many others like this are there in your Jamat.

    If you cannot explain yourself, then ask your jamat to post the reply on net on your jamat website main page.

    Mujid Salam

    For details please visit!!
    http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/topic/3929/Open-Challenge-to-Jamat-Ahmadiyya

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  5. I also think that Mas is diverting the problems that are causing embarrasement, how will stocking up on food will exactly help, everyone knows there is economical problems worldwide and there is just so much you can stock up, I mean my cousin has a family of 10, he is running like a headless chicken thinking that ww3 is heading his way in London and already is in financial trouble for overspending. LOL!

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  6. And further more...

    Mas and his blind followers have obviously not read the Hadith and neither have ahmadi blind followers.

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  7. Cult girl you need a job

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  8. Lool just because my family are doing it doesn't mean I agree! My family also blindly follow a devil ie: mirza... And what's your point? Funnily enough though, my family haven't actually cottoned on to this just yet! Good job we have little or no space to stock up on 'dried fruits' lol! Anyways- care to explain what your failure of a messiah was doing exactly when he failed to wipe out poverty???? Go on... Forget my family for a minute and talk to me about your messiah! Go on! Get your pen out and do jihad... Go!!!

    And lol @ qaid. Doh! Busted :P lol. You think you are smart eh? I'm 200 steps ahead....lol.

    Yup no nasser khan post I'm afraid. End of saga. I never had anything! I never have anything..eeven wwhat you see today is an illusion ;) BOO!

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  9. @Anon at 15:37 and 15:38

    related to Nasser Khan are you?

    You're so sad - obsessed with Findings gender and yet you hide behind an Anonymous. Grow some balls.

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  10. They love to hate me these Qadianis. They need to stop...I'm getting a big head with all the attention I seem to get! I mean, raf and nas etc al are meant to be the focus here but they just want to cling on to me! Oh well...that's what we shall do from now on! No more nas/raf/shab posts..-ts about me and me and more me. :) woooooooooo how excited are you qadis??????

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  11. This is supposed to be a survival list?

    I've been dispersion camping in the Appalachian Mountains. That list would not last very long at all. At best, it would be extremely impractical.

    You expect people to have a MONTH'S supply of water with them? Do you realize how much that is? That's hundreds of gallons! Water is the #1 thing you need, even before food.

    At max you can only carry a few days of water with you. You'd want to focus on boiling water, maybe those purifying pills if you're lucky.

    Charcoal is such a Desi-uncle suggestion. You'd have to collect wood instead - and unless you had a ton of it ready to go, a few logs here and there aren't going to ask long. And lighter fluid? Ha! And forget matches, try a Magnesium+flint fire starter.

    PAPER plates? Paper? And utensils? Are we talking a picnic? What happens when you run out of your paper cups and plates?

    Whoever made this list doesn't know what he's talking about...

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  12. FindingsFindings! Just go straight to the media like the daily mail, they'll eat this stuff up and then you'll force the change u want! Come on dude! Stopping messing around on a blog only seen by a fraction of people. Do it! Just make sure when u write to them you don't ramble on like you do on ur blog, be precise and youl be fine!

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  13. He is definelty diverting the attention from his failed Khalifat and corrupt regime.
    After series of leaks, first he played drama of FACEBOOK ban, then FAST in week, now the Third world war.
    We all know world is changing daily basis but this family is doing this phobia bausiness from last 50-60 years

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  14. Food Crisis? Especially in England/Europe? Okay then...

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  15. The stupidty of this cult and its uneducated mullahs is hilarious

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  16. I think that with the possible ww3 or major problems heading globally everyone needs to take care of their money so I think we should stop paying chanda, we need to save ourselves and our dear families too. Oh I would like to know has the jamaat notified the MPs and non-ahmadi neighbours about this, surely they cannot be selfish and not let everyone know apart from their own.

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  17. MESSAGE TO MASROOR,
    You know yourself you did mistakes, a series of mistakes. Allah will not forgive you unless you appologies to your victims.
    Allah had cursed you by kicking you out of 100th Jalsa from Qadian in 2008, because you put ban on people in their lives.

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  18. This is there old game, to divert attention of innocent members this khadan do this sort of jobs cleverly.
    Just in recent memories, the Khalifa Tahir sahib also prophesised the out break of AIDS like plague in early 2000's. This was also a cover up his time BAIT fraud in world, especailly in BOSENIA under the command of HUMANITY FIRST. At that time the AHMED YAHYA was the chairperson of Humanity first(Yahya and Rafiq Hayat both belong to Kenya).

    Those khaddams who oppose and leaked the news of BAIT frauds were almost all were expelled by this khadhan and Rafiq Hayat.

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  19. You are right here(10:14)
    The Bait fraud was very serious and then Ahmed Yayha disappear from the screen.
    This person originally belong to very noble family of Neila Guband(Blue Tomb-Lahore, Pakistan). But his lies under the massive BAIT fraud in Bosina brought shame to all religious community.
    Ahmed Yahya known to be a master of lies, same as his Satanical Khailfa Rafiq Hayat(he was not amir at that time).
    On the name of aid this jamat brought many converts in War zone and when they saw Khadan and Jamat real face they blessed back to Islam.

    Islam Zindabad

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  20. In Germany the fraud of the Bosnians was a total embarrasement up till now the German quadianis do not want to talk about it, it's like they want to think that this fraud never existed.

    Just out of curiousty do other countries other than UK have so much corruption, I know that the quadiani girls in Germany are not as rosy as they appear, and have other countries also woken up to the deception of this cult!

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  21. @ anon 7 January 2012 13:40
    that is such a blatant lie and accusation that quote "the quadiani girls in Germany are not as rosy as they appear"
    You are only referring to some individuals who are not representatives of whole jamaat

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  22. i know firsthand that ahmadi parents in Germany are much more overprotective than parents in Uk, tarbiyyati system is also more tight and rigid than in uk

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  23. It's funny how this blog cannot stay on topic!
    I personally would not go overboard with stocking up on food but having said that I usually stock up for the Winter period as UK goes to a standstill with a little bit of snow.

    BTW canned cheese sounds disgusting!


    S4T

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  24. Per traditional Islamic belief, when al-Dajjal comes there will be a worldwide famine and many will die from starvation. One of the deceptions of al-Dajjal will be to allure people with the food he has for them. The Muslims who refuse to accept him will be left with nothing to eat.

    So how will they live? They will make dhikr, which will be like a sustenance for them.

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  25. you forgot to add... withdraw all your money from the banks so we can still pay our Chanda, Tehrik-e-Jadid, Wagf-e-Jadid, et al.

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  26. lol @ anon 01:09

    i think that's probably an accurate prediction

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  27. Ahmadis beware of this dangerous blog and the other ones!
    The answer to all objections is to ignore them and send more money to cult head office
    keep sending us the money and watch the confusion and problems disappear
    your money given to the daftar and huzur is the answer

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  28. Findings you look foolish.

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  29. $$$$$$$$$$---$NAKE BITE AGAIN------$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    AN INTERESTING DEBATE 'Snake Bite Again', PLEASE FOLLOW THE LINK TO EXPOSE WHY THIS ROYAL FAMILY IS DIVERTING THE ATTENTION OF INNOCENT MEMBERS FROM LAST FEW MONTHS.

    http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/forums/1/General-Discussion

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  30. @ Farhan

    The western world is alluring eastern and less fortunate countries by their wealth and power, isn't that the job of the Dajjal? If that's the case then shouldn't the Imam Mehdi be around aswell? Doesn't take a lot of thinking!!

    As for the list, it makes me laugh how you guys have NOTHING better to do in life than MOAN and GROAN at my beautiful jamaat. Alhumdullilah we are fortunate to have a spiritual leader to guide us and prepare us for rainy days. Even that seems to be a problem for you, no surprises there then! Jealousy is obvious in each and every comment and remark you guys make!

    With regards to the list, this is not an OFFICIAL jamaat list but personal advice by a Qaid which I find extremely useful by the way. Jazak'Allah to that Qaid. Keep your advice to yourself and enjoy your mountaineering and camping as you probably are better of as a scout. If I was you I'd stick to my day job.

    One love.

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  31. @Findings

    Assalamu Alaikum

    I had a certain amount of sympathy with your viewpoint at the beginning but your facile interpretation of these Ahadith and your short-sighted criticisms of the Jamaat's 'preparations' for future crises, show your essential pettiness, mean-ness and ultimatly, your stupidity. Ley me explain why. I'll start from the end. First of all, why are you stupid. It is not the jamaat that is predicting world war 3 but independent political analysts, economic commentators and journalists. An increasing number of these have all recently highlighted the severity of the world economic crisis and that the major governments of the world are hiding it's true nature from the masses and that, because of the need to maintain living standards, seizing of wealth from foreign lands under the guise of 'wars of liberation' (Arab Spring anyone?) is becoming a reality. Unjust economics based on interest is the cause. History backs this up (Second world war was preceded by the Great Depression) as well as the Qur'an (Give up what remains of interest or beware of war from Allah and His Prophet). So the signs are all there. As for Muslims living a life of luxury such as they had never had before; What are the royal families of Saudi and the various Emirates doing? Are these not Arabs (the people of Muhammad(saw) living a carefree life of luxury? Has not the earth given up it's wealth (Oil)? The fact that you've obviously missed all this, makes you rather stupid (forgive me , but Q.E.D)
    Now pettiness and mean-ness. I converted to the Ahmadiyya interpretation of Islam some time ago now, the first thing I did was go to the non-Ahmadi mosque to find out what their problem with the jamaat was. I gave them verses of the Qur'an which explained the Ahmadiyya view on Khatamun Nabiyyin and death of Isa (as), they gave me 'Qadianiyat. by Ehsan Ali Zaheer'. Substance verses pettiness. You are being similarly petty as in front of the Qur'an everything is petty (even Ahadith), and it is notable how people such as yourself always seem to focus on Ahadith as they can be easily misinterpreted to serve your agenda (This is hinted at in Surah Al Imran of the Qur'an ...those who wish to cause trouble pursue that which is susceptible to different interpretations). You guys can never explain why, on the major issues, the Qur'an supports the Jamaat. You can never get round that. That is the pathetic trajedy of your position. All the tacky people in the jamaat, the questionable security practices, the 'apparent' corruption in certain sections of the jamaat. None of this matters because in the end, Gods Word supports the jamaat. If you don't like that, then you need to take it up with God.

    Or come with something firm and substantial (i.e sometning from the Qur'an)and I might take you seriously.

    Wa Salaam

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  32. The only thing the Qadianis appear to be well-stocked with is an endless supply of bullshit.

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  33. May Allah bless you Findings. You must have really thick stick to deal with all these hateful comments.

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  34. Jzks bro. I don't notice or read half their hypocritical and spiteful nonsense anyways. :)

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  35. Anon Wrote
    8 January 2012 22:36

    Common Member of SULTAN-UL-QALAM bench.

    The defination of DAR-UL-QAZA(see alislam.org),that all judgements were dealt in light of Quran, Hadith and Islamic ways.
    Tell us where in Quran it says, a citizen of country cannot go to COURT of the country.
    Secondly, if your members are not allowed to go to court, then explain, why DAR-UL-Qaza cannot deal with ASYLUM cases?

    This is open challenge to you, your Jamat and Masroor.

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  36. Lmho @ calling findings 'stupid'. you really just do not get the hadith do you???? what a class a ahmadiyya! what a whole heap of waffle your comment was! read up on the messiah and the imam mehdi and then understand the hadith.

    i guess you would need to be a muslim to understand though, huh? dont get offended, the truth it the truth.

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  37. mr 22.36 can you explain why Hazrat Messy Maoud lied on hadith? have you found the 14th AD CENTURY hadith yet? no thought not! how about before you ask findings to give you proof you prove that? idiots.

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  38. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle9 January 2012 at 23:50

    @anon 8 January 2012 22:36

    YOUR COMMENT WAS SO FUNNY THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME LAUGH! ROFL

    what a grade A PLUM you are for being sold ahmadiyyah at least most of these guys had it shoved down their throats from birth but You went out to the qadiani pawnbrokers and sold your soul for cheap, you got had!!! (BUT you still have time to get it back...Go GO GO!!!!)

    This is for you from the Quran Kareem:
    33:40
    [ Muhammed is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) The Messnger of Allah, and the seal of the prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things]

    and this is how it is to be understood

    "My likeness among the prophets is as a man who, having built a house put the finishing touches on it and made it seemly, yet left one place without a brick. When anyone entered it and saw this, he would exclaim, 'How excellent it is, but for the place of this brick.'Now, I am the place of the brick: through me the line of prophets (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been brought to completion."
    [Related by al-Bukhari]

    This is real hadith not the truncated version you may recognise it except for the bit where it says "Now, I am the place of the brick: through me the line of prophets (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been brought to COMPLETION." This is normally excluded by the ahmadiyyah (conveniently)

    Thanks for the chuckle you made my day :)

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  39. keep chuckling moughal uncle. we will see who has the last laugh when you realize the error you made denying the Promised Messiah und Mahdi. You line up behind Findings who has corrupted you and has now prevented you from ever becoming an Ahmadi. Well done Findings. Not only are you responsible for corrupting the minds of the truthful, you are also poisoning those who need the Messiah. The punishment you will suffer will be the worst. You will most certainly be in the lowest pit of hell. Burn baby burn.

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  40. i hate mirza masroor he is the worst type of kafir but he is right and muslims should also act on this, masroor has been told by his satanic(freemason)masters that the dollar will collapse this year (it will watch!) which will lead to every other currency falling before some country in the east hmm... (israel) comes to the rescue of the world. during this period there will be rioting and all types of crap going on in the world. there will also be a major scale war.

    so wake up people dajjals army will come in strong this year... dont just sit around for the mahdi and messiah they will appear without doubt they will!! but only after we have seen the suffering.

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  41. oh and why do you think that mas & raf have been taking extra dosh off the cultees for the last year or so? they knew this day was coming.

    btw you need to keep an eye on investments made by masroor and raf especially if they've been buying bonds or gold.

    the economic crash will probaly finish the cult, i cant see them sitting in morden with lit candles singing mirzay hyms, they've served their purpose to the dajjals army.

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  42. I was sitting with a bunch of Ahmadis on a dinner.

    One of them said Huzur said to start stocking things as WW3 is coming. Another one said:
    "Remember last time, huzur said the same thing but nothing happened. We didn't know what to do with all the stocked items then."

    The conversation continued on the subject of agriculture...

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  43. oh and Qadianis need to stop paying chanda now, if they are asked as to why they haven't payed the monthly membership fee's then they can simply reply, 'We need the money to stock up on supplies'

    smile

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  44. @ 19:07 - Jan 10

    isnt this whats happening in Nigeria right now ! ??

    There is plenty of oil in Nigeria but 100% of the crude oil is shipped abroad for refinemnet (nice big earner for Shell, Texaco, BP) and then "imported" back to Nigeria (East India Compant lives on). The cost of importing the oil is much bigger than at the pumps so for decades the Nigerian Govt has been subsidising the oil sold at pumps!!!! thats right you herd it correct, "SUBSIDISING". Suddenly the government has realised its stupidity and has stopped subsidising the fuel sold at pumps. The result, the price of eveything doubles...why? because the actual price of fuel has doubled at the pumps.

    Huzur (aba) knows what he is talking about. have some faith people.

    @Findings, please publish the comment. I have tried to post before but without success. I am starting to think you have an agenda.

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  45. Another hadith states: "I am the last of the prophets and my mosques is the last of the mosques" ....and then there were no Mosques built after the prophets mosque...dumb dumb needs some gum gum

    Ahmadiyya Zindabad!

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  46. you ahmadies are on a hype. you take that to mean literally 'there are lots of masjids after the Nabi pbuh'. but when he states in hadith he is the last, you use that as arsenal?

    may allah protect us from these people. astagfirullah. i would highly suggest that this sister now leave this people behind. you are living amongst the shaytan's army. please protect yourself sister. even if they are your family they are the biggest munafiq/murtads in the world. please protect yourself from them. May Allah make it easy for you. You are an inspiration.

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  47. ATTENTION ALL EXPELLED MEMBERS FROM NIZAM-E-JAMAT

    Challenge your expulsion matter to courts in USA, Europe and UK.It is your right to live your life. There were cases in past where this khadan had lost the cases in courts and MASROOR withdraw his orders without your further humilation for asking Mafi Nama.

    For details:

    http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/topic/3890/Germany-has-leaked-some-news-about-Jamat-Qadanni-Ahmadiyya

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  48. I agree that this food collection thing is utter nonsense. But I don't understand the tactics behind it: Certainly, there will be no food crisis in the next years in Europe. And therefore, this whole drama will prove to have been useless. Then, Ahmadis might realise that Mirza Masroor Sahib's "prophecy" was wrong.

    So why is he doing that?

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  49. 1- Where has Hazur ( ABA) stated that it is a prophecy or he has been told this by Allah? Where???????
    As we are the only one in the whole Islamic world where there is One Divinely Guided Man Of God cares about us and we have somebody to seek guidance from . Orhewise look what is happening in Arab world , Iran And Pakistan ??? Which is sad . Look at their religious and political leaders! They are causing havic to their people and they have no where to go. It is sad again but they have rejected Allah,s Blessings which came in time. So We can only pray.
    2-Huzur has advised to be ready for a situation which is developing and all can take this advice regardless if belief but on the other hand Huzur (ABA) has always advised us to pray . So we pray and join us that things get better and we are saved from any crises. But according the situation untill now Huzur,s has advised us and we are following our beloved Imam,s advice . What is the problem with that. If you dont want to do it then dont. Very simple. ???
    3-What is your mourn about chanda. You are not blessed as you have no one to trust or pay chanda to and we are Al-Hamdo Lillah blessed that we can do it very happily and confidently .And we can enjoy the feeling which Hadrat Abu Bakr (RA) and Hadrat Umar (RA) and so many others use to enjoy. What is your problem about it. Very strange! Are you thick or what!!!!
    4-And finally dont play with The Ahadith Of Prophet (SAW) please. You dont have a clue about it .Make sense !!!

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  50. I hope you gain some clarity and peace in your heart and mind. It seems like you have a lot of hate pent up towards this specific group (despite what you said), otherwise you wouldn't have created this blog...

    I am a major proponent of free-speech, but (like most people) think that the speaker should at least have the decency to be respectful. If you want to attach the BELIEFS of this group, then why would you not respond to their claims with reason and logic? Commenting on other, unrelated characteristics of the group only reveals how fallacious your own reasoning is.

    - Peace all around.

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