Sunday, 22 January 2012

The Sunday Scandal Session 13: Snitches, A Model and Dictator Shabir Bhatti


Salaam and good evening! 

A few years back, when my father was a key worker in the Ahmadi Khalifa’s Private Secretary’s office (also referred to as ‘the dafter’ by Ahmadis), I came across the following 2 documents that really showed just how controlling and perverse this cult is. Unfortunately, the hard copy was then kept out of view until recently, when I found it again. Alhamdulillah. 

Below you will find 2 documents, courtesy of Dr. Shabir Bhatti, Deputy President of the Ahmadiyya Association in the UK. I am sure many in London will be familiar with this story because unfortunately once the Jamaat interfered in this young girl’s life, everyone soon found out about it. 

Have a read:

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In short some few years back, there was an Ahmadi girl who had posed for a few modelling shoots and attended a Zee Carnival (a bit like a Mela) that was filmed and later appeared on YouTube. 

The reason Dr. Shabir Bhatti originally chose to investigate and pull the young girl up about her ‘un-Islamic offences’ is because there were a number of snitches who came forward to complain, after seeing her pictures modelling for Asian bridal companies. Again, this shows the disturbing nature of this cult, where members spy and snitch on the short comings of others. This is actively encouraged and supported by the Cult and members happily rise to the challenge. They fool themselves into thinking they are doing their community a service, when in reality they are simply feeding their own egos. The Cult needs members to spy and snitch on one another as it enables them to keep the community under tight control and also, it serves as a warning to others not to step out of line as the community might find out and if they do, you WILL suffer the consequences. Examples of such consequences are laid clear in this letter: parents are questioned, perpetrator is questioned, officials in the community find out, possible sanctions are discussed and even expulsion! 

So Dr.Shabir ‘Shabs’ Bhatti, again let us have you explain why you are threatening and cornering a young woman and her family like this, when on the other hand you present an image to the caucasian Brits that your Jamaat is all loving and all accepting? Look at the tone you are using when addressing the young girl, imagine how upset and terrified she must have been when she received your letter? Patronising her with your Holier than Thou rhetoric, demanding explanations from her and her family, and making decisions about her based on how remorseful she may have appeared in front of you? What a dictator! And Raf, no getting out of this one and trying to pretend your office largely works independently because your name is on the correspondence!

Shame on you Shabs, calling in an old man like that, showing his daughters pictures to him? Do you have any idea what sort of damage you dictators have done to families over the years? Imagine how utterly devastated he must have been and how humiliated he must have felt, when men he considers to be in a position of authority are exposing his daughter like that in front of him? Shabir you have a daughter don’t you? Think for a second, Get your sick and twisted brain in gear and just imagine that were you and your daughter being exposed like that? Don’t like it do you? Who are you to question her, when your fellow colleagues have children who put teens in America on ‘Girls Gone Wild’ to shame? Do you want me to expose them, because I can easily do that, but only if you promise you take the same actions against them! No, but you cant manage that can you? Why? Because you are all a bunch of hypocrites.

And for those who deny ‘public expulsions’ do not happen within the cult, have a careful read of the letter again, where Dr.Shabir Bhatti asks the girl in question why he shouldn’t have her expelled. It is there in black and white for you all to see. Threats of expulsion are actually what Cults are known for! Look it up!

It’s never enough to apologise (you see, Ahmadis are made to feel they have to apologise to the community and their demi-god, Mirza Masroor when the only being she need apologise to is Allah), you have to live with the stigma of your ‘actions’ for many years to come. In this instance, the girl is still restricted from meeting with her spiritual leader, Mirza Masroor and is prohibited from holding any position in the community. Furthermore, as there is no confidentiality within the Jamaat, everyone soon found out about her shortcomings, no thanks to the wives of the officials and also announcements were made at a local level. This is a disgusting way to treat women. No Muslim organisation in the United Kingdom is so cruel to its people, yet it is the Ahmadis who are constantly belittling UK Muslims in the press at any given opportunity. It’s as good as a public flogging the only difference is, sticks and stones are not used….. and then they point fingers and accuse Muslims of being extremists! If this isn’t extreme and not bullying, I don’t know what is!

Let’s just hope the MPs and the like eventually realise they have been duped by the Ahmadi community and that when you strip away all the talks, peace conferences and what not, we are left with a hypocritical and cruel dictatorship that preys on its followers and causes them a great deal of pain and heartache. MPs if you are reading, perhaps it’s about time you stop dilly dallying with this group and make an effort with Muslims not the Mormons of Islam (Ahmadiyya). Would you normally support Mormonism? What about Scientology? No, I thought not! So why would you support the Mormons/Scientologists of ‘Islam’? It is a cult for crying out loud! Take a look at these documents and seriously reconsider your ties with this community!


PS:

I have a very stern message to give to the Cult leaders here at the London HQ, especially Rafiq and Shabir and their wives. If for a second I find out that as a result of these 2 documents going up, the family involved are yet again blamed for being ‘me’, I will come down very hard on you all. Don’t for a second think that it is only the people you have publicly scorned, disgraced and humiliated that might be capable of doing this because believe you me Rafiq, if you knew just how many face value ‘hello hi’ Muslims there were working against you right now, you would probably never have a restful night’s sleep again (Big Pun intended). You have caused this family more than enough damage, humiliating her elderly parents and ruining the young girl’s reputation for your own sick kicks and you will NOT do it again. Alas Kla? Just realise and understand that I know a lot and have a lot of documents in my possession and this is just another. If I can get hold of what has gone up in the past, it’s a piece of cake to get hold of this, so just bear that in mind when your minds go into overdrive, trying to connect the dots. It’s no big deal when you compare it to some of the hard stuff I have against you dictators, so try not to make a song and dance about how I got hold of it and then convince yourselves it is her! Do NOT drag her name through the mud again, or we may need to start really throwing some mud about. You all have daughters, don’t you? Well then…… just know I know a lot about them too. Got it? Understand what I am getting at? I have done it before and I will do it again. Got it ;) Go figure…..

Ahmadiyyat's International Anthem: It's Me Snitches

40 comments:

  1. This is unbelievable! The poor girl and her poor family! Islam (if Ahmadis are Muslim) says conceal the Sin of your brothers (Muslims). Reality check readers: Your Cult is not Islam.

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  2. Great work Inspector Gadget Findings!!!! :D

    A few more hits and I don't think they will be able to explain themselves out of anything!!!!!

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  3. Findings Dictator Bhatti caused his own family members untold amount of heartache and put them through hell so tell me, do you think this dictator thinks anything of a young, impressionable Ahmadi woman?? NO. She may have needed the money or something.

    Findings do right while you can and get shot of all of these social criminals that includes Mas, Nas, Raf and so forth.

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  4. Is this the same girl who was accused by Waseem Ahmad, the dodgy Ansar chief? She is a bit short to be a model isn't she? I feel sorry for all of these girls. Their reps lie in tatters while their accusers sit pretty getting their children married off. Really sad. I feel very bad for them all.
    Findings is a model??!! Lol.

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  5. How can ahmadis say that they are the true Islam, never have I heard someone throw someone out of a religion so to me this ahmadiyyat is more of a cult, the matter is between this model and Allah (swt) they are also violating human rights here. Very bad indeed that this cult has spies to spy on their followers!

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  6. No the 2 girls are different and if you read the post you would understand she was falsely accused. So no, I am not a model. Far from it...I look more like Post Shrek Princess Fiona than any model! Not a nice sight, believe you me! The other girl accused is not a model either. This model girl is different character altogether. She was treated very badly by the Jamaat.

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  7. Can someone tell me what the murabi spies were doing watching fashion shows?

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  8. Please provide all this to MP Justine Greening whom they proudly lick her feet

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  9. Do you mean the Sunday scandal from like four years ago?

    We really are finding it hard to put up some latest gossip.

    Let's bring up the past of yet another innocent victim, even they have totally moved on in life. We salute you findings!

    NOT.

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    1. mirza diarrhea problem22 January 2012 at 23:21

      get your facts straight its like 3yrs and 4months, 8months short of being a fourth year. hey what the heck your the same people who think 5=50

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    2. ha ha you sat there and actually counted? do you ever realise how much time you waste on the net when you could be preaching rather than refuting? do you know the difference?

      anyway i hope you like Kindergarten eggs...

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  10. mirza diarrhea problem22 January 2012 at 23:19

    i thought backbiting was haram as every qadiani murabi tends to say to us muslims?

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  11. 1-when an action is taken it is always for the betterment of the people whom the action is taken against.and even if expelled fro Jamat does not deprive them from calling or acting like Ahmadi Muslims. Expelling from Jamat means the system if Jamat. And any wise and reasonable person will agree with this principle which helps to keep discipiline and unity with in any cimmunity and society.
    And even in wordly matters and state laws there are punishments other wise it would be a mess.
    This is why from day 1 to today even the worst enemies of Jamat have accepted the examplary status of Ahmadiyya community and the discipiline it keeps.
    No one can challenge that. I have witnessed this accepted by common non-Ahmadi to Known non-Ahmadi Scholars.
    2-This is not spying but this is called care. Every member of This Divinely Guided Jamat is important and ambassador of Islam .So it is the responsibility of Nizam e Jamat to look after them.
    3-It is absolutely Islamic and there are several examples in Early Islamic History where people were punished for their bad deeds accordingly .
    4-The particular matter which has been discussed. I hope and pray that the sisters must have repent and realised what exactly happened, how , and what should have or what should,nt have happened. So it is history now but to reopen this matter is no doing any good to them.think!!!
    5-We are weak and can make mistakes and yes it is between Allah and us but Allah Himself has set "Hudood" in Quran . And there are matters where The system or Government has to move and get involved.
    * These were some very brief points but I believe should be sufficient if your intentions are true and not just biased and overwhelmed by personal grudges ir issues.

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    1. Salam,
      I can understand your Jamat point of view for taking actions against this girl.

      Just for the information for all of us, can you elaborate more on, ''Process of Islah''. What steps your organisation normally take.

      2) What rules you have to expell the person.
      3) If these rules are in written form can you share with us on this blog.

      Thank you

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    2. Dear Sunni Convert - your observations are correct. As an Ahmadi myself I believe that rules & regulations regarding conduct and behaviour are important and should be observed to set an example, maintain a moral standard and to keep discipline within the community.

      The probelm is that the Jamaat treats people differently. There are 2 classes - the khandaan and top office bearers versus the mass followers. Different rules apply. This is the worse thing that the jamaat can do. We could all accept if there was 1 rule for all but that is not the case.

      The sham converts is a perfect example. The families of these children have been getting away with sham converts for the last 30 yrs. It's rife within their families. In the meantime, others have been expelled and parents told to withdraw all contact. This is not right and cannot be justified in any circumstances.

      Same act, 2 consequences, depending on who you are. Reputation in tatters depending on who you are. No contact with your child depending on who you are. Abandoned and ostracised by your community depending on who you are.

      Sunni convert - is this fair, is this how the Nizaam should treat people - punish you depending on who you are rather than what you did?

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    3. Daleel? You're just making stuff up. And no, Ka'ab bin Maliks example doesn't apply here. The Holy Prophet saw didn't even kick drunk people out of Islam. Ahmadiyya is only concerned about their image to the outer world that's all that matters to cults.

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  12. @ SUNNI CONVERT TO AHMADIYYA SO NOW AN AHMADI...

    Please go and tell this all to your masters in the Nizaam and ask them in turn to go and explain this to their western supporters, while they talk about how they are a freedom movement! I have no problem with the above.

    Thank you.

    @ 4 years.... still as painful as ever for Shibir though ;)

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  13. And dont accuse me of being the one pulling up this innocent victim... THE JAMAAT ABUSED HER NOT ME! Get it????? Nice try spinning it on me.....

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  14. Occam's Razor. Use it. You will find Ahamadiyya is not Islam. No further discussion necessary.

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  15. Why no anti raf posts no mo? Been a few weeks since you went off on one about your fav target

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  16. you people are either ignorant or liars as there is no such thing in jummat as EXPULSION,
    It is the the other way round the jummat members are asked to keep no contacts with these people so what is your problem with that if you hate this community so much Miss MR or WHATEVER lost finding

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    1. Expulsions don't happen? Are you sure about that? LOL... Come out of denial! And ok so you are saying there are no expulsions yeah? But you've just admitted that there is a system of social boycott and people being ostracised? Yeah? Thank you!!!!!!!

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    2. You have just contradicted yourself here, YES there are expulsions and people are ostracized, do you think that if a family member leaves this cult that they can never see their families again, is that justice and right?
      You say there are no expulsions in this jamaat than you are most certainly blind to this cult!

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    3. funny. lol xD

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    4. Findings do you enjoy pretending to be an ignorant anon and then responding as yourself?

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    5. what is your problem of social boycott with a community you hate so much you should be happy and relieved that you are not part of that community

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    6. I don't think Findings needs to pose as an idiot, there are plenty of Qadianis out there doing a grand job!!

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  17. For those who think its acceptable to publicly humiliate people in this manor, surely the you have no problems with a website like this that publicly humiliates these leaders for their misdeeds.

    Would you have a problem if Mirza Masroor's misdeeds were exposed and he too was publicly humiliated?

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    1. No I dont have a problem at all because I know all of that is lie and know liar s about prophets and khulfa is taken care by GOD so i need not to worry, and "publicly humiliates", well cant understand your so called handful ahmadis is public? because I heard or saw no annoucment on any of the TELe channels not even on MTA so which public you are talking about?

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  18. Yes that is true if you are in the community and dont go by the the set principle than either you behave or face social boycott.

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  19. Go back to my 22nd Janury,s response and come out with explaination if you have ? But I am sure that was enough to shut you up.
    If you have something to do with Islam then behave like a muslim and speak Islamically and stop criticising Islamic laws and traditions.
    If in your own house one of your brothers or sister starts drinking. What will your father do? Off course he will warn one and would not let it happen in his house then others can get influenced and in some cases will as to leave the house and may not let any body from other home members to speak to one unless one has repent , realised and apologised and promised to behave in future .Then Islamic law is not broken in the house and system of the hose will remain in order. Isnt it simple.
    Again you see As I mentioned last time it is about caring fir bith the person and community.
    And nobody is ever humilated. When a matter is taken up then thier would be some very few people involve to deal with it but it is never annouced publically that such and such person is expelled out of Nizam e Jamat for doing this and that in details.
    And go and study the The Time Of The Holy Prophet (SAW).

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    1. Ansari_mowghlis_uncle24 January 2012 at 18:17

      So how are people expelled from the jamaat?

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    2. they are not

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  20. @ farhan No I dont have a problem at all because I know all of that is lie and know liar s about prophets and khulfa is taken care by GOD so i need not to worry, and "publicly humiliates", well cant understand your so called handful ahmadis is public? because I heard or saw no annoucment on any of the TELe channels not even on MTA so which public you are talking about?
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    1. The names are read out at the monthly meetings. I have witnessed several myself and those people attending these cultish meetings are quite blatantly told not to talk to them anymore. I'm an ex-Ahmadi so no point in lying to me. I'm so glad Allah showed me the right path away from this patheic cult.

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    2. yes exactly that is absolutely true the reason is to let the jummat know that such people have morally gone so low that jummat should not engage with them.

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  21. I think your all missing the point, this girl knew she was doing wrong she was not a child when she did this. If she was punished why is everyone so surprised??? I'm sure other Muslims would not agree with what she did either. If you go against your teachings you are accountable for what you have done, don't cry about it.

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  22. Publicly no they are not expelled per se. Usually at Friday sermon under announcements they say don't collect chanda blah blah. However they don't say why so it could be there free will. This usually is announced in the region that person was situated in.

    However most of the bad stuff spreads through gossip, gossip and more gossip. The wives offc.

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  23. @ people who have adressed me Directly...
    Please read my comments on 22 and 24 of Jan. with open heart and I know that principaly everybody gets treated equally .
    Why would Jamat be unfair to people who are the assets of Jamat and think wisely why would Jamat expell the people out of Nizam e Jamat for no reason as on the other hand Jamat is trying to spread the message to the world? It does not make sense . Does it? So there are reasons if an action is taken or not taken or to which extent it is taken. All depends what could be the better decision for an individual . Now I give you my personal opinion . Let us build a senario here... For instance if I have five children with different qualities and behaviours but I love them equally as all my own blood . So if I have to discipiline them for some reason . I will try options if one behaves if I cuddle one affecionately and one is done but may their would be one who I will have to ask to stand on one leg otherwise one would not behave but as a father U know when , how and which one to discipiline which way but the main object is again ONE and that is to discipline them because I care about them equally and house remains in order as I care about the house which matters . Anyway that is my own interptation just to simplify the matter again.
    There is no public humilation what so ever. And no one is abondened from talking and no social bycott in general. If you claim that it is either a lie or lack if understanding or information.
    The only thing which is their that is the person is expelled from Nizam e Jamat. But still can be An Ahmadi Muslim , can come to Mosque, can talk to people. Very clear.
    Some one said nothing happened at the time of Prophet ( SAW). I feel sorry for you . Please take my advice and go and research .
    And finally open your eyes and look at Muslim world and even Pakistan . I just viewd a programme on ARY where they were talking about trying to bring a law to control musical concerts. It is a muslim country. Majority us Muslim population. So why it has been lead to this stage and there are so many other examples... Think wisely please.
    Just to oppose Jamat e Ahmadiyya it is not wise that without any single thought you rush and critisise something which inside yourself you know is not right to do so.
    Wassalam

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